Simone's latest transformation, from Mirage RSR+ to EVO2.

[Curt]

Looks great, Mike! I would like to see how you added up the points improvements to come up with "AM Class 3.6 widebody", though. That car looks awfully AR to me.

TT

Come on now Tom, you haven't been reading up on the new rules of AM. I have a feeling that ever since the rules change of 2005 that you aren't using the accepted math of the AM class.

First of all, if the part was available "stock" on any Porsche ever made including say a 917/30 or a 962 or a GT-1, it's really not any points at all. It's stock, stock = free get it?

Also the term "factory" has a new meaning. It doesn't mean that that is the way your car was delivered from the Porsche factory, it means that the performance part you are putting on the car came from a factory. The McLaren factory, McDonnel Douglas, Boeing, Raytheon, Ferrari, Mattel, doesn't matter. All free. Zero points.

I am thinking of a class action lawsuit against the Zone 8 rules makers (excluding all of our favorite person, Steve Grosekemper )You want to tell me that the new rules aren't prejudicial and discriminating against the early 911s? We need to talk to someone who is familiar with age-based discrimination. Strangely he hasn't popped his geezer head into this thread yet. "Wheel of Fortune" must be on.

[Jad]

Hey, I thought those rules only applied to 944 turbos

Any of the hourglass timed AM cars going to BW?

[bibbetson]

Hey, I thought those rules only applied to 944 turbos

I'm starting to think that they only apply to your 951 Jad. It's a never ending cycle... He who is winning MUST be cheating!

[jsimone]

Well here we are getting down to the short strokes after five weeks in the Posse Shop! In a couple more weeks there's going to be a new Deputy on the track, Deputy Gagen!!

Go get 'em Mike !!!!

[ttweed]

Thanks Tom, I choose not to carry the one and I average down.
Even with this new math I can't run slicks.

Mikie- I think you better carry the one and go ahead and put the slicks on it. To paraphrase Burl: "You are SO AR!"

Lemme see, Anthony set the PCA-SDR track record for AM at WSIR back in 2004 with a 1:30.xx, which only Johnny Risvold has gotten close to since in AM. You did 1:27s in testing with that car before you did this last evolution. It will be sub-1:25 now, I predict, when you get it dialed in. What does it weigh now?

I got out the calculator and did a quick run-thru on your mods and quit adding at 68 points because I didn't know how much to deduct for weight removal. Even if you forgot the 10 points for tube-framing it, and ran 400 treadwear street tires, you couldn't get it down to the 54 point limit for AM.

TT

[Mike]

What does it weigh now?
I got out the calculator and did a quick run-thru on your mods and quit adding at 68 points because I didn't know how much to deduct for weight removal.
TT

Hey TT my bad, you are right I corrected my profile to indicate AM2.
After Jae checks the CB we'll know what it weighs.
It should be about 2200lbs, how much weight would we have to add to keep it in AM1?

Since your crunching numbers can you even imagine an what an AR2 car would be?
I mean would a 935 equiped home built still be an AR1 car?

Could I put a water cooled twin turbo 996 550hp engine in my car and still be AR1?

Seems the AR2 point cutoff is so high that it is meaningless.
Your thoughts?

[ttweed]

Hey TT my bad, you are right I corrected my profile to indicate AM2.

I think you are at least AM3 with that thing!

Could I put a water cooled twin turbo 996 550hp engine in my car and still be AR1?

Seems the AR2 point cutoff is so high that it is meaningless.

I think you're right. 94 points is A LOT! You could turbo your motor and only add 15 points, or better yet, drop in a 500HP GT-2 motor and you would have even less points and still be AR1, because the HP increase rule (if you use a stock engine for the swap) maxes out at 100HP delta (24 pts.) Since your '69 911T had only 110 HP originally, any motor you swapped in with more than 210 HP would get the SAME point penalty. A Euro 3.2 would get the same 24 points as a GT2 motor. This is a shortcoming in our rules that should be changed, as with the newer, more powerful engines, a 250HP increase or more is possible, and should carry a larger penalty than 24 points. What about a 650HP Carrera GT engine in a 914 tube frame? Not that anyone has deep enough pockets to do it, but it is probably possible to build such a car and stay in AR1. I just did a hypothetical point count on such a car (914 tube frame chassis with Carrera GT engine, huge slicks, big brakes, trick gears, limited slip, every suspension and aero mod possible) and came up with 72 points! You could take 550 lbs out of the car (not that it would be possible to get that far under stock weight!) and still be in AR1. I can't imagine what an AR2 car would look like. Has anyone built one yet?

The other thing about AR2 that bugs me is that we still exclude the factory race cars from this (or any other class, except X.) If you built a 94+ point car, it could easily be as fast as a factory RSR, 934, 935 or Cup car, so why not let these exotics run in AR2 instead of being banned to X class?

TT

[Mike]

A thumbs up from Dr John Simone.
The transformation was on time and on budget.
Now off to Mirage for a corner balance and then rev it up and go at the July QDE.
Great effort, thank you John.

[Curt]

That thing looks killer in white Mike! Is that just the satin finish of the fiberglass?

[Red Rooster]

I agree.....in white it looks vicious.

[lowyder993s]

Has the name "Great White" been taken yet?
BTW...nice artwork on my car Mike, shoulda posted a picture, but this is a family website

[Red Rooster]

...BTW...nice artwork on my car Mike, shoulda posted a picture, but this is a family website

hee-hee-hee...

[Mike]

Thanks Guys,
Other than the steel roof everything is in John's white gel coat finish.
I like the white too, might paint it white later this year.
JC, yellow dog was a bit excited about his first trip to Big Willow.
Congrats on your fast and fun weekend with your new car

[jsimone]

Well I think I have finally recovered from the all day and nighter to get Mike's new Evo Bodied racer finished last Saturday. Mike deserves a big pat on the back for his help on the project, and has now learned the meaning of the phrase "It's all down hill from here"!

Since Mike's car is the first to receive the new body skins from my new mold set his car was used to validate and confirm the fit up of the panels. Now that's it's finished I can't wait to get my new racer skinned with them, I'm a few months and a couple hundred hours of labor away from being done, so I'll just have to enjoy watching Mike's car run in the meantime.

Mike, just remember, a little higher goes a long way to preserving that nose!!!

[Mike]

Mike, just remember, a little higher goes a long way to preserving that nose!!!

Sheez yeah drove it down to the muffler shop, S turning over all the dips.
Still scraped a couple times, maybe should raise it another 1/4 inch.
Goes over to Jae's on Monday.