March 29th Autocross Results

[rcsd_447]

http://pcasdr.net/2013/wp-content/uploa ... ne2010.pdf was the inspiration for most of the track, particularly the 180s. It seemed like an appropriate theme after the PDS. The long back straight was removed for safety concerns.

I'm fine with constructive criticism, but this has just been hammering away at the same issues over and over with not one person suggesting changes or concessions for the limited time we have for track setup around all the other events at the stadium. If anyone really felt so strongly about the track, we could have changed it easily.

Why am I doing this again?

[gulf911]

Sorry Rodney, but I have to take exception to your term of hammering away over and over... I re-read the entire thread and not one could be categorized as anything other than constructive. Some coming from volunteers themselves. All were pointing out why and not a personal attack of any kind. So you either need thicker skin and not take it personally , or realize that when anyone volunteers it doesnt mean that members do not have the right to offer their opinion. Now unless you have a ton of members emailing you constantly , hammering away , I can count on 1 hand the posts that offered an opinion of why they didnt like it. It happens , move on. Also , you cannot just change a track at will mid event. By the time you have the run groups have a run at it to give an opinion its not feasible.

Volunteers at times have a thankless job , that doesnt mean yours and all others that do volunteer are not appreciated greatly. I dont think you will find a single person in this club , except maybe Dan Micheals , that does not appreciate the work that you all do.

[LUCKY DAVE]

ENOUGH ALREADY!
How long are we going to beat this dead horse?

[rcsd_447]

The issue for me is that there are many replies that all take issue with the 180s. I agreed on the first page that they didn't work out as hoped. So to me the additional posts after that don't contribute any additional benefit. I'm not trying to take away anyone's right to an opinion. But after several posts, by people within the club that I know of well enough to respect, but can't say I know well, is tougher and tougher not to take it personally.

If I disagreed with the original posters maybe all this would be justified. But that isn't the case.

[LUCKY DAVE]

You guys are taking this WAY too seriously.
What do you think it is, the "Parking Lot World Championship"?
Lighten up.....

[rcsd_447]

Sorry Rodney, but I have to take exception to your term of hammering away over and over... I re-read the entire thread and not one could be categorized as anything other than constructive. Some coming from volunteers themselves. All were pointing out why and not a personal attack of any kind. So you either need thicker skin and not take it personally , or realize that when anyone volunteers it doesnt mean that members do not have the right to offer their opinion. Now unless you have a ton of members emailing you constantly , hammering away , I can count on 1 hand the posts that offered an opinion of why they didnt like it. It happens , move on. Also , you cannot just change a track at will mid event. By the time you have the run groups have a run at it to give an opinion its not feasible.

Volunteers at times have a thankless job , that doesn't mean yours and all others that do volunteer are not appreciated greatly. I dont think you will find a single person in this club , except maybe Dan Micheals , that does not appreciate the work that you all do.

Hi Dan,

My point is that I've expressed frustration that new posts don't add a new viewpoint or issue. I asked to move on. But there were more posts mocking the track. So that says my opinion isn't valued, irrespective of whether I have thick skin or not. It also says to me that you think it is ok for all the needless criticism, but it isn't ok for me to try to explain my position. You didn't agree with my post, and say there is nothing objectionable about all the other posts. I strongly disagree with that.

This whole thread started out with the premise that the last event was a huge letdown for PCA-SDR. And that the track played a large part in that letdown. As the track designer, I really don't know how you would think I wouldn't take that at least a little bit personally when the comments are still coming in three weeks later. Yes, it gets to me when people I respect throw the same criticism several times. I think I have been pretty responsive in making changes from previous mistakes, and haven't given anyone reason to think the next track would contain the same issues (but I am sure there will be some).

Anyway, this is just my honest perspective.

[Jackie C]

Since tomorrow is a new track and another event and in an effort to please MOVE ON...Rodney, I enjoyed the track and know several others who also thought it was a fine track. Somehow, it seems only the negative gets posted. I think anyone who bothers to speak up ought to be willing to show you how-actually come down and do it. That's how volunteering works in most clubs. Keep up your good work. You are doing an incredible job that no one else seems willing to do.

[Gary Burch]

threads evolve.

and it's not a dead horse.

jackie is right (I never thought I would ever say that), and tomorrow is a new day and a new opportunity, and another track.
it is a parking lot, but it's our parking lot and we want it to be the best it can be. we don't race at le mans or spa, we race here
and that's why care.
volunteers like rodney and many others, make all this work and I am thankful they take the time to do it.
I think this was intended as constructive in the criticism department, but maybe did go off line occasionally, but was not meant to be disrespectful
The real loser on this entire journey was our new former participant dan micheals.

[gulf911]

Hi Dan,

My point is that I've expressed frustration that new posts don't add a new viewpoint or issue. I asked to move on. But there were more posts mocking the track. So that says my opinion isn't valued, irrespective of whether I have thick skin or not. It also says to me that you think it is ok for all the needless criticism, but it isn't ok for me to try to explain my position. You didn't agree with my post, and say there is nothing objectionable about all the other posts. I strongly disagree with that.

This whole thread started out with the premise that the last event was a huge letdown for PCA-SDR. And that the track played a large part in that letdown. As the track designer, I really don't know how you would think I wouldn't take that at least a little bit personally when the comments are still coming in three weeks later. Yes, it gets to me when people I respect throw the same criticism several times. I think I have been pretty responsive in making changes from previous mistakes, and haven't given anyone reason to think the next track would contain the same issues (but I am sure there will be some).

Anyway, this is just my honest perspective.

Hi Rodney , I dont want to belabor the point ( Yes Dave is going to kill me) but you have lost perspective and its unfortunate a very small amount of constructive criticism and unrelated posts have evolved into "your opinion isnt valued" in your mind. You are completely wrong on its needless criticism. There were 5 posts ..'5'.. that voiced their opinion on what they didnt like before you said move on. How many people were at the event Rodney? 100? over 100? (See perspective) I would want to know from more than 2 people , out of 100 or more , what wasnt liked or liked for that matter. And I certainly wouldnt diminish anyones opinion because I didnt like what they had to say or that they mirrored the same opinion, as needless. Maybe if 30 did but certainly not 5. Nobody is saying you cant express your reasoning at all , its good to know but it doesnt mean it changes those opinions and they should not be silenced because they were told "if you dont like it , come down here and show us" , Really? You are reading things into this that just arent there. I have only been a member of SDR since 1998, yes a newbie.. you just need to be glad you werent around when GSS allowed 911E's in with 944's... Again, regardless of anyones opinion I thank you for volunteering your time to this club.

[Jad]

Dan,

911E's should not have been in GSS with 944's at AX. Don't make me explain why again

Going to come watch the fighting at the AX for awhile tomorrow. Haven't been enough WWF fights in PCA for awhile. The reverend will be there as well Dan, so be good

[rcsd_447]

Hi Dan,

My point is that I've expressed frustration that new posts don't add a new viewpoint or issue. I asked to move on. But there were more posts mocking the track. So that says my opinion isn't valued, irrespective of whether I have thick skin or not. It also says to me that you think it is ok for all the needless criticism, but it isn't ok for me to try to explain my position. You didn't agree with my post, and say there is nothing objectionable about all the other posts. I strongly disagree with that.

This whole thread started out with the premise that the last event was a huge letdown for PCA-SDR. And that the track played a large part in that letdown. As the track designer, I really don't know how you would think I wouldn't take that at least a little bit personally when the comments are still coming in three weeks later. Yes, it gets to me when people I respect throw the same criticism several times. I think I have been pretty responsive in making changes from previous mistakes, and haven't given anyone reason to think the next track would contain the same issues (but I am sure there will be some).

Anyway, this is just my honest perspective.

Hi Rodney , I dont want to belabor the point ( Yes Dave is going to kill me) but you have lost perspective and its unfortunate a very small amount of constructive criticism and unrelated posts have evolved into "your opinion isnt valued" in your mind. You are completely wrong on its needless criticism. There were 5 posts ..'5'.. that voiced their opinion on what they didnt like before you said move on. How many people were at the event Rodney? 100? over 100? (See perspective) I would want to know from more than 2 people , out of 100 or more , what wasnt liked or liked for that matter. And I certainly wouldnt diminish anyones opinion because I didnt like what they had to say or that they mirrored the same opinion, as needless. Maybe if 30 did but certainly not 5. Nobody is saying you cant express your reasoning at all , its good to know but it doesnt mean it changes those opinions and they should not be silenced because they were told "if you dont like it , come down here and show us" , Really? You are reading things into this that just arent there. I have only been a member of SDR since 1998, yes a newbie.. you just need to be glad you werent around when GSS allowed 911E's in with 944's... Again, regardless of anyones opinion I thank you for volunteering your time to this club.

Dan, thanks for taking the time to reply. I do appreciate the feedback but sometimes it feels pretty difficult to keep everyone happy.
Take care.

[Don Middleton]

...sometimes it feels pretty difficult to keep everyone happy....

Take it from one of the former AX chairs, it's not just difficult. It's impossible. But, even the one's who aren't completely happy know we are lucky to have you out there doing it. Thanks.

[996Pilot]

Go ahead -- fire away now.

I'm not going to "fire away" exactly, but I do think that your post lacks perspective--I don't think this thread consists of "General whining, complaining and attacks on (newer) volunteers with unending criticism of people." I perceive it as constructive criticism and discussion, representing both sides of the issue, and I hope that Rodney is not going to feel so "attacked" that he will "refuse to participate in PCASDR AX events anymore" as you have done. May I ask if you had some similar experience with volunteering that precipitated such a decision? It might be helpful to elaborate, so that we can all learn something.

As a forum admin, though, I would like to point out that anonymous posting is contrary to the terms and conditions of use for the forum as established by the BoD. (See http://forum.pcasdr.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1026) Since you joined the forum before this policy was put in place, as have many others, I have edited your signature file to include your real name. I would encourage all other users who joined the forum under a username other than their real name to do likewise (add their real name to their signature file or sign their posts with their real name). Personally, I think such a policy makes for a more civil level of discussion than other internet forums out there, where users can throw anonymous bombs from the sidelines or troll endlessly without accountability. And no, I am not saying your post was in that category, but I do wish to know more about why you feel so negatively about the club.

TT

Sorry, I missed the "sign with your name". I've made my signature much easier to read as well as added my contact information so as not to give the impression that I am trying to hide out or post anonymously. If you thought I was throwing an "anonymous bomb from the sideline", I apologize. It was meant to be "constructive criticism".