pyro57 wrote: and don't worry I won't be at this tour, but the exact attitude that you display
pyro57 wrote:I know that I'll hear all the "if you don't like it why don't you volunteer" stuff.
pyro57 wrote:But I'll let you know that I work many 7 day weeks.
pyro57 wrote: Sorry but this does not seem very family friendly to me.
pyro57 wrote:So I ask again, is the club responsible if something happens?
pyro57 wrote: So I ask again, is the club responsible if something happens?
Brett Souza wrote:I read your first post and thought I'd let it go, but I'm off work today looking for Porsche stuff and just had to respond.pyro57 wrote: and don't worry I won't be at this tour, but the exact attitude that you displayWow Dave, I didn't think his reply was all that harsh, nor did it have a negative attitude. Yours sure does...
Thats right it's harsh, because it's the same attitude that I expected. These tours have allways been for driving your car in the back country and seeing some sights. If your going to have a social, then have a social. If your going to have a tour, have a tour. I didn't define these activities, the club has.pyro57 wrote:I know that I'll hear all the "if you don't like it why don't you volunteer" stuff.brilliant answer.Yep!pyro57 wrote:But I'll let you know that I work many 7 day weeks.So that gives you the right to complain about it?
The first ammendment and the fact that this is a "forum". The fact is, except for a few exceptions, if you express a dissenting opinion your complaining. If you agree with everything that is done in the club or any organization for that matter there is no improvement. If I disagree I will voice it. if you don't like it, don't read my posts. Wow that sounds familiar.How hard could it be to organize a tour? Hmmm, let's see. We all meet at the west end of the parking lot, drive a couple of hours to somewhere for breakfast and then everyone is on their own to either head home for the football game or do some antiquing...
Actually, It's much harder than that. Normally these guys and gals drive the course they will follow weeks prior to the event. They sometimes set up a small breakfast before and sometimes refreshments during the tour, they also have to make the reservations at whatever restaurant that we eat lunch at. Hmmm, let's see. Sounds a little harder than you thought. I doubt that I have the organizational skills to make it a good tour. But one thing that you can believe is that (before i was disabled) when I do show up at an event I allways help out, including showing up early to throw cones or unload the trailer at an autocross.pyro57 wrote: Sorry but this does not seem very family friendly to me.
I may be new to PCA-SDR, but so far I have found it to b very family friendly and the organizers very responsible regarding drinking and driving.People are people and we must all teach our children to be responsible for their actions.
This is true and it also includes personal responsibilities to the people you have with you at your event or home. If my friends come over to my house with their kids they are responsible to watch them, but I am responsible to provide a safe environment or to let the parents know of unsafe conditions.Have you thought about bringing you son to the Rally on the 29th?
No! I prefer for my son not to hear the kind of language that eminates from my car at rally'sMy daughter will be riding with me there. My girlfriend will be with me on the brewery tourpyro57 wrote:So I ask again, is the club responsible if something happens?Ask an attorney and depending on who side they're on, they will answer either yea or nea.
We are all responsible for our own actions. We must make the right choices at the right time. The courts are getting away from blaming an organization for the actions of an individual.
If you don't want to go, that's your choice. If you don't like the direction this club is headed, step up and make it better. That is a choice too.
At this point I'll have to sign off and go to work.also my hands can't take this much typing (disability)[/b]
paul-silver wrote:As the event organizer and a member of the social committee, I thought I would respond.
General Social events like Last Tuesdays, etc: The places we go to are restaurants, not bars. It's hard to find restaurants that do not also serve alchohol, except for fast food places. We try to find nice restaurants with interesting food that people will enjoy.
Other events like tours usually include either a meal at the end (morning tours with breakfast at the end) or before (full moon tour) or include some other interesting visit (last year's Palm Canyon hike, the Brewery tours last year and this year).
And, as was mentioned by Ralph, the Brewery is just one segment. There will be a fun tour of back country roads in the morning. Meet at North County Fair mall at 8am, drivers' meeting at 8:15, depart at 8:30am. The tour will last approximately 2 1/2 hours, ending in Vista.
The Brewery tour segment includes a voluntary tasting. It will not involve large amounts of drinking (they're in business to make money, not give away all their product). People who do not want to participate do not need to.
Lunch afterwards is about 3 miles away from the brewery.
Again, the restaurant was chosen (a) for its location, CLOSE to the brewery, and (b) because it seemed like a nice place to have lunch.
If you would like to participate in the drive but are not comfortable touring the brewery, we would love to see you for the morning drive with your son and would understand if you don't stay for the rest.
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