Jad wrote:TT,
Your suggestions makes a lot of sense, but the club is quite firm in the fact that there are NO requirements for big track driving. A few smart people have taken it upon themselves I believe to somewhat limit Fontana and Big Willow for complete newbies, but a 16 year old in a GT3 RS on his birthday is welcome to join us at Buttonwillow (may need to be 18, I forget).
Old Guy wrote:
- With all due respect to my generation or those of you 10-20 years behind me: there is no going back. Get real. If you send your kids (or in my case grand kids) to a computer coding clinic and the teacher told them that first they had to master typing on an IBM Selectric, deal with punch cards, master DOS code to get the printer to print, and choose between a computer monitor with either green or orange text over black, what would your reaction be? Say what??!! Isn't it obvious that the "new" generation has no knowledge or interest in no nanny race or street cars, G15 trans 911s, heel & toe downshifting, or anything else that all of "our generation" grew up with???
ScandinavianFlick wrote:Old Guy wrote:
- With all due respect to my generation or those of you 10-20 years behind me: there is no going back. Get real. If you send your kids (or in my case grand kids) to a computer coding clinic and the teacher told them that first they had to master typing on an IBM Selectric, deal with punch cards, master DOS code to get the printer to print, and choose between a computer monitor with either green or orange text over black, what would your reaction be? Say what??!! Isn't it obvious that the "new" generation has no knowledge or interest in no nanny race or street cars, G15 trans 911s, heel & toe downshifting, or anything else that all of "our generation" grew up with???
Jim,
I don't have strong opinions one way or another on your other statements (people can and should bring whatever they desire to the track as long as it passes tech), but gross generalizations about "new generations" really irk me. At 30, I'm one of the youngest club members, and I'm ONLY interested in no-nanny, manual, heel-toe required race cars (for street driving nannies don't really make a difference in fun). Many other drivers in my age bracket feel similarly, and I strongly believe there will continue to be an interest in learning to drive "classical" sports cars at their limit. The club's instructor corps should have the experience, desire, and supporting curriculum to teach those skills where appropriate.
Old Guy wrote:There are a few other points about Fontana that I should mention. 1) With both Speed Ventures and Fast Toys Club there is a lack of BMW/PCA DE "discipline" for the entire process which, truthfully speaking, is a big negative. There also is a total lack of comradeship as while occasionally 2-3 folks that know each other arrive and stick together, the norm is to have garage-mates with no common interests beyond that day's track driving. 2) It's close to Oceanside, but I drive up the night before, stay at a nice hotel, and hit the Speedway early AM after a 10 minute drive from the hotel. Finish driving and even with traffic I'll be home for dinner. 3) Having a covered garage with a perfectly level floor (not to mention piped in compressed air) is a big Plus. 4) Finally, yes it's windy some days but there isn't any blowing sand. Stated another way, I'm a bit of a wimp when it comes to creature comforts.
Jad wrote:I really doubt many people will spend 30 years developing their skills as a driver as there is very little to work on once the thrill of speed is gone. I think it is reflected in todays youth having little interest in driving. Even the most basic car is FAST compared to the fun sports cars of the pre-nanny world. A 991 is SO fast you can't play with it on the street and need track days to enjoy it, a Morgan 4/4 is great fun at the limits on the street pretty much at the speed limit
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