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Re: Slow Car Fast

Postby Jad on Thu May 31, 2018 7:56 am

TT,

Your suggestions makes a lot of sense, but the club is quite firm in the fact that there are NO requirements for big track driving. A few smart people have taken it upon themselves I believe to somewhat limit Fontana and Big Willow for complete newbies, but a 16 year old in a GT3 RS on his birthday is welcome to join us at Buttonwillow (may need to be 18, I forget).

The spinning of a 996GT3 was easy, the 997GT3 was hard, but doable, spinning a 991GT3 is really really hard and the other 991+ cars are worse. I only know of 1-2 991+ drivers that have really tried to AX without any nannies for more than a lap or two. Know what? It is hard, much easier to fly around with the nannies and get a good time. I really doubt a single one of them could accurately explain what the nannies are, when they are on/off etc like you did in a previous post. I have not even tried to distinguish between nannies and performance enhancement devices, as they really work together, but as you stated, are technically serving different purposes.

The PDS should absolutely be a no nannie event, but "the cars are driven as they would be on the street, as this is not racing." I have been told.

Oh, well. I would absolutely love to see the 991 drivers of today have to drive your old 911 at Chuckwalla and get a sub ~2:05 in order to advance. If they could do that, then they would have shown they understand car dynamics enough to safely utilize and understand what the nannies are doing (other than power on oversteer :wink: ) and advance as drivers.

That is why I haven't been to the last few PDS's after teaching at virtually every one for 25 years. Watching the driver punch the gas with 500+ hp and smoothly pull away as the car performs perfect shifts until the corner where you point to what side of the track they should be on while they mash the brakes and crank the wheel and the car just turns to the apex and downshifts where they mash the gas and repeat. It works, but pointing left-right and knowing they don't feel the car correcting the myriad of errors isn't fun or very useful in my opinion.
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Re: Slow Car Fast

Postby ttweed on Thu May 31, 2018 9:26 am

Jad wrote:TT,

Your suggestions makes a lot of sense, but the club is quite firm in the fact that there are NO requirements for big track driving. A few smart people have taken it upon themselves I believe to somewhat limit Fontana and Big Willow for complete newbies, but a 16 year old in a GT3 RS on his birthday is welcome to join us at Buttonwillow (may need to be 18, I forget).


Wow, shows you how out of the loop I am! :shock: I guess that is the natural outgrowth of offering DE groups at our big track events instead of just Time Trials, as it used to be. I suppose that it is just following the trend of "open track days" for anyone with a driver's license offered by private companies that have sprung up all around the country. No experience necessary, just pay the entry and take your sportscar on the track to see what it's like to be Mario Andretti?

So what do we do now to qualify a DE student to drive solo and run for time?

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Re: Slow Car Fast

Postby rwalker on Thu May 31, 2018 9:31 am

PCA likes when you keep a journal. With enough log entries and a recommendation, you can get a "solo signoff" from a CDI.
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Re: Slow Car Fast

Postby sf.in.sd on Thu May 31, 2018 1:25 pm

Anyone can drive a DE, but there are some requirements for a time trial in a PCASDR or Zone 8 event.

Zone 8 rules:
B. Novice Previous Experience Requirements
1. Driver’s Ed events are open to all drivers, no previous experience required.
2. TT participation is not allowed until the driver is qualified to solo OR has at
least 8 days of total event experience comprised of Autocross, Driving
School, or Driver’s Ed events (or the equivalent) within the previous 24
months. In the latter case, the driver will be considered a novice until they
are qualified to solo as stated in the provisions of Part C of this section.

Robert or Jack could verify, but "qualified to solo" is probably a check ride and/or perusal of motorsportreg data.

In my experience DE's are offered at CVR, Streets, and Buttonwillow. Not at Fontana or Big Willow (generally; one year when Streets was cancelled Instructors could opt in or out from teaching DE). Don't recall a DE at Spring Mountain, but have only been there once and don't remember.

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Re: Slow Car Fast

Postby Jad on Thu May 31, 2018 8:47 pm

Shawn,

I believe you are right, but the difference between TT and DE is virtually nothing beyond timing at the end of the event. My point is anyone with a driver's license is allowed to drive at bw in any car with zero experience.
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