KP class

[Jad]

Dang, I go away for a week of CAMPING with my IN-LAWS (was I Jack The Ripper in a previous life? ) and the entire forum has been converted into a trash talking cess-pool of 944 vs. 911.

I feel like a proud Papa. Jad, Dan and I have been working on this for what, 5 or 6 years now?

I hope that my baked-bean overdosed, mosquito ravaged body can fit into my racing suit in time for Buttonwillow. If so, those of you with 125 hp or less are TOAST!!!!!!!!

Curt, yet again, you seem to have killed a perfectly good thread.

You better be careful with that 125 hp comment. If Tim shows up with a spec car, they are about 125 hp at the rear wheel and their 2.5 l may eat up your big 2.9. You know, this is one of those rare instances, where yours is bigger than mine

[bibbetson]

Due to the distinct lack of comments... I suspect that each of you is sand bagging on the LSD points (except Jad's cheater Turbo S). Hmmmm, maybe I read the rules wrong and I should be in KS? Nope, +2 for all non standard LSD including factory option.

That should get this thread moving again... I hate to see it die.

[David J Marguglio]

Billeye Boy:

I thought that I had made it clear in previous discussions that I do not have LSD (acid, or any of its variations) and that explains the prodigous amount of wheel spin that I get shifting into third. If you would like you can check the option codes located on the sticker under my hood. Also, I have not as of yet put it on an aftermarket version and begun to lie about not having one, but I will keep you abreast of that change.

Martin and Bob, however are definately cheating.

[bobbrand]

I have LSD and I take +2 for that.

It's B.S. that 944TS does not take +2 for LSD when every other car on the planet has to.

[David J Marguglio]

It's B.S. that 944TS does not take +2 for LSD when every other car on the planet has to.

Bob: I am not sure if you are referring to someone in particular or you are just commenting on this out of some general sense of fairness, but you may be interested to know that there is currently a proposed rule change to close that loophole. Take a look at it and perhaps send an email to Michael indicating your support for such a bill as I am sure that Jad will be emailing something to the contrary.

[Bob Gagnon]

Isn't the difference whether the differential was optional or not when the car was purchased?

The way I understand it is, theoretically if a limited slip is standard on the car then the LSD is considered in the basic classification of that car and does not necessarily extend the advantage of an LSD to all the cars in the class.

This would mean in class K the 944 Turbos that had the LSD as standard equipment would not have to take points but an RSA which had the LSD as an option would.

[Jad]

I have LSD and I take +2 for that.

It's B.S. that 944TS does not take +2 for LSD when every other car on the planet has to.

Hey, Rick get free LSD on his 911 and no one complains. It is a conspiracy I tell you! I get 7 points for a chip, they are free for you.

As Bob G stated, the LSD was figured into classifying the car. Compared to an RSA, I already have more weight, less HP, turbo lag and no torque. Get over the LSD as it is required to even make the car drivable. Turbo boost, 247 hp and no LSD do not work well together . A rear engine, 250 hp RSA does ok without the LSD.

Could be an interesting new rule, all cars in a class have the same rules. For example, we all take points for LSD, but we also all take points from the same starting weight, say 3000lbs. We also all get chips for free. Sounds good to me , this fixing the LSD cheating is clearly for the best

[David J Marguglio]

Could be an interesting new rule, all cars in a class have the same rules. For example, we all take points for LSD, but we also all take points from the same starting weight, say 3000lbs. We also all get chips for free. Sounds good to me

Wouldnt it just be better to kick 924 and its variants out of K class altogether?

[bobbrand]

Could be an interesting new rule, all cars in a class have the same rules. For example, we all take points for LSD, but we also all take points from the same starting weight, say 3000lbs. We also all get chips for free. Sounds good to me , this fixing the LSD cheating is clearly for the best

I think its a good suggestion.
You start from 3000lb, instead of the 2998 you get now.
And we start from 3000lb, instead of 3031 where we start now.
Also, free chips...as long as they don't increase boost.

[Jad]

Oh, and free LSD's as long as they don't increase traction

The rules committee will probably kick us 924's out of K and make us compete with GT3's or something. Our older, cheaper cars are kicken to much 911 bxxx

We'll see who's talkin big after BW!

[Tim Comeau]

Well I just might show up with a squadron of 944-spec cars! Each with about 130-135 hp at the rear wheels.
Oh, and these cars are the exception to the rule when it comes to building Porsche race cars. I can deliver a race ready car for around $12,000. And it will retain it's short term resale value better than any Porsche race car that I've come across in my 20 years in the good ol' PCA. There are more and more 944-spec cars every month in SoCal PCA and the POC. Fun stuff.
So how many 911's need some humiliation at Buttonwillow?

[kary]

Well I just might show up with a squadron of 944-spec cars! Each with about 130-135 hp at the rear wheels.
Oh, and these cars are the exception to the rule when it comes to building Porsche race cars. I can deliver a race ready car for around $12,000. And it will retain it's short term resale value better than any Porsche race car that I've come across in my 20 years in the good ol' PCA. There are more and more 944-spec cars every month in SoCal PCA and the POC. Fun stuff.
So how many 911's need some humiliation at Buttonwillow?

Bring it on Tim

[bibbetson]

Now that's better... Everyone's talking again.

David, it really supprised me that you don't have LSD. I pegged your car as the type.

If you 911's didn't have the 944's to complain about what on earth would you do? It's like a Ford / Chevy debate. (oops I said the F-word, that might get me kicked off this forum )

Jad - Heavy, down on power... I empathize with you - NOT!

Isn't it funny how everyone is at a disadvantage in their own mind.

[RickK]

Hey, Rick get free LSD on his 911 and no one complains.

Oh, sure Jad, drag me back into this mess.

- Heavy, down on power...

Now here is something I am very familiar with.

[Greg Phillips]

Except for the Cayennes, nobody does heavy better

But I could use some more power
And I have to take points for limited slip. Limited slip is even more important for the front engine cars as we don't have 60% (or more) of our weight over the rear axles. Channeling 300 lb/ft of torque through one tire is an exercise in frustration

Greg