Buttonwillow lap videos

[jplavanjr]

For those of you running BWRP for the first time, there are 3 laps of video from our VARA race 2 weeks ago posted here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223339

These are from Mark Scott's car in a 2.0L SWB car running with me in CP. I finished 2nd to Mark in class and 5th overall in this race. The Purple 914 is running a 2.5L in CP3. Lap times for the clockwise 13 config for our 2.0L cars are in the 2:05 range for the leaders.

JP

[gulf911]

Thanks JP,

Jad?? Tim?? Please note wheel movement from a seasoned, fast, early 911 driver. I am sure he would be open to the 944/924 "hold the wheel steady around corners" technique....


There, that ought to do it....

Just like lighting a fuse...

[Jad]

Not much of a fuse. A 2:05 isn't exactly burning up the track if you notice they are running the shorter race 13 track. Granted, it is a decent time, but certainly slower than I would be. Then again, I guess you have given up any hope of keeping up with me and are happy with techniques that result in OK times. Been carefully watching the F1 drivers sawing away at the wheel - NOT (well maybe Jordan and Minardi. Do you relate better with them and being lapped by the faster-smoother cars )

[David J Marguglio]

Okay! Likening a 911 to a Minardi? Now that's just bad form.

A 911 is a bad idea brilliantly executed whereas the Minardi is a good idea with no execution.

[Jad]

Ok, that was low, but Minardi has been faster than Jordan recently...

[gulf911]

Not much of a fuse. A 2:05 isn't exactly burning up the track if you notice they are running the shorter race 13 track. Granted, it is a decent time, but certainly slower than I would be. Then again, I guess you have given up any hope of keeping up with me and are happy with techniques that result in OK times. Been carefully watching the F1 drivers sawing away at the wheel - NOT (well maybe Jordan and Minardi. Do you relate better with them and being lapped by the faster-smoother cars )

ummm...ok times?? In 2003 you did a 2:07 on the same course. Those are 2.0L with 225's... Might I also add he did it in a race with Traffic....Care for any salt with that shoe??....

[Tim Comeau]

Sure takes a long time to load the videos...........

Ok, I gave up after more than 5 minutes the video was only 44% buffered......Sheeesh!

[jplavanjr]

Tim- I just hosted them on my personal web site. I can't check the speed from outside my network so I don't know if it will be any faster but try HERE.

Please let me know 'cause if it's no better I'll get rid of them.

JP

[gulf911]

Tim- I just hosted them on my personal web site. I can't check the speed from outside my network so I don't know if it will be any faster but try HERE.

Please let me know 'cause if it's no better I'll get rid of them.

JP

JP,
These were fine and loaded fast when I looked at them from home last night. But I am using a cable modem.

Dan

[Tim Comeau]

Much, much better. Each lap loaded up in about 10 seconds.
I'm cable too, with a 1 Gig chip and lots of RAM.
Anyway, as far as the driver goes.................
1. He has a good sense of balance.
2. He works the gearbox very nicely, and quickly.
3. Every time the steering wheel moved, I saw a reason for it, either correcting oversteer, some bumpsteer? or otherwise balancing the car. No nervous thrashing on the wheel.
4. Only saw 2 bad things. Driver wasn't placing his car well tactically . Opened himself up for being passed. Even on the outside! The other thing was lifting through Riverside. The 914's were hugging the inside line. That's the "safe" feeling line and there's usually room to pass on the outside before the next left kink. The car seems to be oversteering a little too easily?
Looks like a good solid club driver to me.

[Jad]

Not much of a fuse. A 2:05 isn't exactly burning up the track if you notice they are running the shorter race 13 track. Granted, it is a decent time, but certainly slower than I would be. Then again, I guess you have given up any hope of keeping up with me and are happy with techniques that result in OK times. Been carefully watching the F1 drivers sawing away at the wheel - NOT (well maybe Jordan and Minardi. Do you relate better with them and being lapped by the faster-smoother cars )

ummm...ok times?? In 2003 you did a 2:07 on the same course. Those are 2.0L with 225's... Might I also add he did it in a race with Traffic....Care for any salt with that shoe??....

In 2003 I did a 2:07 with a TOTALLY stock car. Original springs, original shocks, normal fenders, 235 street tires and my first big track event I believe, SOW isn't a big track to me. If I am not 3-4 seconds faster with all the mods, experience, tires, etc, I will agree aircooled is better and chopping at the wheel is better, but I wouldn't hold my breath

Practice pointing so you don't have to think about it all those times you will have to do it next weekend!

[gulf911]

If I am not 3-4 seconds faster with all the mods, experience, tires, etc, I will agree aircooled is better and chopping at the wheel is better, but I wouldn't hold my breath

So you will be 2 seconds faster than a 2.0L with 225's, with your 275+hp and 275's on all four corners? I see, so the 944 is better with enough HP and traction...

you can't carry that kind of speed in a corner with that much weight over the rear end, on 225's especially, and hold the wheel, you feel what the car is going to do in the seat of your pants, and compensate to keep the speed up and the rear end from coming around. The luxury of not having to worry about the rear end at speed is something 911's wouldn't know about...

[Tim Comeau]

Aw, come on..........we still have to balance our cars at speed. It's just that the car isn't working against us.
I'm going to pass you on the outside of Riverside going flat out in 4th gear! Oh, wait. It's a TT, not a race.........crap.

[Jad]

And just think what I would have if I put the points and money into my 944 that you old 911 types throw into yours - OUCH thats gotta hurt

[gulf911]

Aw, come on..........we still have to balance our cars at speed. It's just that the car isn't working against us.
I'm going to pass you on the outside of Riverside going flat out in 4th gear! Oh, wait. It's a TT, not a race.........crap.

Balance? Oh yeah... 50/50 vs. 40/60....plllleeeeeaaaaasssssseeee....