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Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby Dan Chambers on Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:29 pm

For years there's been a back-room debate over the use of the Driving Event's "excess" income and the Social Event's use of ... other program's "excess" funding.

After much research, some real number-crunching work, and some creative thinking ... I may have found a solution to the debate of Social Events vs. Driver's Events and the funds that are raised and spent.

I think with a little tweeking of the track design, some cooperation with the Tech Inspectors, and some good ol' fashion PCASDR brotherhood/sisterhood, we could run an event that satisfies everyone's interest in both the Driving and Social circles. So, AX/DE/TT; Social Chairs: let's all sit down and work this stratagy out.

(Click link)

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749 ... r-21777952

So, what do you think?

(PS - Pass the salt and give me a point-by!)

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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby Ted Myrus on Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:00 pm

:D Funny video.

Now we could just stop subsidizing any club events. Installation Dinner, Driver Awards Dinner,Volunteer Party, New Member Party, Progressive Dinner, Coronado Speed Festival, etc. No recognition awards. Everyone pay full price for an event they choose to attend.

I think the above events would either disappear or be very poorly attended and the club would be of little fun. On the positive side concour, rally, AX,and other driving events would be at cost. I suspect they would be close to one half their current cost. Then why bother :?:
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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby John Straub on Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:16 pm

Hummm...maybe we could get "BlackBerry" to sponsor everything...no cost to anyone for anything. Yeah, I kinda' like that.

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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby Curt Yaws on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:37 am

If I can comment on this, I'll say the video is funny. But, you need to see what is under development in the Corwin garage. It might put this table and chairs to shame. :rockon: Watch for it at a big track event soon.

Regarding the issue of social and driver spending, I see a lot of mis-information out there. If you really want to do research, please talk to our Treasurer, Bill Behun. He has the check book and Quickbooks financials for years back. He has charts and graphs. It's eye-opening and informative. And quite easy to understand. Those who have been attending board meetings this year have heard it all, many times.

If I can summarize, nothing is currently making money. The Installation dinner is being subsidized for about 1/4-1/3 of it's previous support. A number of events have had their subsidy reduced even more, as much as 100%. Several years back, the driving events did make money, as well as did the Windblown Witness. We also made a very large single gain from the Parade, which created a number of expensive new events.

There are some members who have told me directly that we should increase fees to the drivers to support social events. As you might imagine, they were not drivers. I have not heard any suggestions that we charge extra for social events to cover high track expenses. There seems to be a trend developing of "Pay for what you get." This is a departure from some previous approaches including "Let someone else pay for what I get."

Of course, this is very painful to chairs and managers of events and programs that historically have been heavily subsidized. It may or may not be fair, or the right way to manage it. But it does allow the members to vote with their wallets and pick and choose the things they want to support.

This year has been challenging for the club, bringing our expenses in line with our income. At the first of the year, the board committed to run the club at a break-even cash flow for the year. At the September board meeting, Treasurer Behun reported we were within $500 of our beginning cash balance from Jan. 1, 2010. That is pretty close. It has caused quite a bit of strategic upheaval and dis-location, but to most members I think there has been no noticeable impact.

If I might comment on Ted's previous post, running the "concour, rally, AX,and other driving events at cost" would not result in a reduction of of their current (prices). These events currently run very near to break-even, and it is a struggle to do so even with increased fees. Ask your Concour, AX, or TT chair about their budget this year. None of these events are flowing cash to subsidize other activities. It was different in the past, when attendance was high and driving events made money.

As for Dan's observations about "Driving Event's "excess" income and the Social Event's use of ... other program's "excess" funding", this is again historical information and not representative of our current environment. There is no "excess income" from driving events. This is a broadly held mis-conception that results in much mis-understanding and conflict. Please get current information from any driving event chair or our treasurer. The topic is widely discussed at our board meetings.

It's important that we use good data to analyze our situation, and manage the club based on our current environment, not that of a few years ago. We may or may not again see that economic frenzy of a few years back, but for now we need to live within our means.

As I see it, our goal is to produce fun events, both driving and social, that allow our members to enjoy their interests in their cars, and to develop friendships based on those common interests. If you have an event you are passionate about, figure out a way to produce it in a break-even or small plus format. It's really not that hard, and it's good for the club.
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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby jenniferreinhardt on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:27 pm

Thank you for the information Curt. It is good for us troops to know what is happening. When I was a Board Member in 08, 09, we did receive a large amount from the Parade as well as a private donor which helped fund events, event supplies such as new timing equip and radios, etc (if my memory serves me correctly), volunteer gifts, etc.

The climate has changed and the Chairs have committed to tightening their belts. Here's hoping for times to get better!
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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby ttweed on Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:12 pm

Curt Yaws wrote: There seems to be a trend developing of "Pay for what you get." This is a departure from some previous approaches including "Let someone else pay for what I get."

Of course, this is very painful to chairs and managers of events and programs that historically have been heavily subsidized. It may or may not be fair, or the right way to manage it. But it does allow the members to vote with their wallets and pick and choose the things they want to support.

I agree with the "pay for what you get" method of funding events, Curt, especially in this economic climate. It's a tough decision to make, but I think you're managing hard times the right way. If there was money to burn laying around, maybe things could be different, or continue the way they used to be, but in this environment, it's the only fair way to go, IMHO.

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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby gulf911 on Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:04 pm

ok, this is in stark contrast to what I was told and lambasted for even mentioning. Somebody please inform Pastor Duncan and Mr. Crosser that subsidy DID occur for many many years... :banghead:

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Re: Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby Curt Yaws on Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:23 pm

Dan:

Don't bang your head against the wall too hard. The club has and continues to subsidize certain activities, but to a lesser degree than in the past. It's been quite a few years since the driving events made any significant money. And, I believe, people always thought they made more than they ever did. The simple analysis of (entry fee X attendance - Q rental = profit) doesn't get close at all. Ask an Autocross Chair. Mr Crosser was the treasurer for two years and has a pretty good idea of the cash flow of the events.
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Driving Event/Social Event coordination.

Postby Speedy on Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:06 pm

Thanks to all who have tightened thier budgets and continue to opearte great / fun events!  :bowdown:

Like most I WAS under the impression that Driver's paid for social events. (Not any more!)

Jackie, Curt and I had a discussion. I learned that PCA National contibutes $$ or so annually. This is income...
Those monies have been spent on:

Administrative costs = $$
Windblown Witness = $$
Social, Installation Dinner = $$
Social, Volunteer Party = $$
Social, New Members Party = $$
Coronado Vintage Races Hospitality Tent = $$



Yes, in years past the Driving events DID MAKE TONS OF PROFIT, it was the CASH COW... that MULA my friends has been spent. It's gone.

Yes, Driver's Dinner is NO LONGER subsidized- although the Board DOES SUPPORT IT!
(Not financailly, we have a sponsor for that.)

Yes, I'd like to see more of a balance in which the money gets shared amongst events- but really... every chair MUST earnestly try to make their events at least break even.
If an event ticket price will not cover all costs for that event, then a sponsor is needed or the event costs must be reduced and allow for- at the very minimum- a break even point.

The Driving events have not made profit for a couple of years. However, If you were to review the records the Social events NEVER DID.

I encourage everyone to VOTE & furthermore share with your new board how you'd like the income of this club to be spent. :rockon:
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