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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby mrondeau on Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:52 am

Bob Gagnon wrote:
Kim Crosser wrote:Instructing should not be viewed as a "chore" - it is an opportunity to help someone else improve their skills, and it can double your time to absorb the track and plan your line.


Around our house, my wife views doing the dishes a "chore" and I view it as a time to think about the day and I actually get a sense of accomplishment from it. I try to get my wife to look at dish washing as I do, but she still says it is a chore to her and try as I may to change that view, I cannot.


Bob, Feel free to come over to my house and get some additional time to think about the day. This will double your sense of accomplishment. :lol:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby kjr914 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:29 am

I've been absent for a few due to other priorities taking up weekends, not due to any reason of the club's fault. I was fairly regular for about 3 years, and it was just time to put a few other things to higher priority for this year. My story isn't much help in deciphering what to fix, other than just reminding us of the need to constantly "fill the pipe" with new recruits to backfill for us that "wander off". However, as the maid's baby-daddy says, "I'll be back!"

To help on the AX cost front, IMHO we could dispose of many of the awards. I don't think 2nd & 3rd place requires an award at every AX. And the year end awards are ok, I guess...but, in several past years there were few people in my class, so my award was as much for that as my driving skill... The new classing may sort that part out next year. Also, if beer/wine are a real cost item, we can self supply....however, water is a necessity.

There definitely needs to be a trailer load plan to speed things up at the end of the day, especially for those loading the trailer and not already drinking beer... Some new storage boxes, well labeled, to encourage anyone to pickup and put stuff away may help. The suggestion of a trailer packing "map" is a good one.
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby Dan Chambers on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:16 am

kjr914 wrote:

There definitely needs to be a trailer load plan to speed things up at the end of the day, especially for those loading the trailer and not already drinking beer... Some new storage boxes, well labeled, to encourage anyone to pickup and put stuff away may help. The suggestion of a trailer packing "map" is a good one.


This "plan" and "map" already exists. I wrote the "Morning Schedule" and the "Afternoon Schedule" along with a detailed map of where everything goes ... and in what order ... back in 2003 when I was AX Chair with Carl S.and Gary B. It was passed down to Curt Y. and Chuck S. in 2005. It was "re-issued" to Bill Behun when he was A-X Chair. There used to be a great-big-binder full of AX Chair information that was passed along to me, and subsequently passed on to the Chairs after me. All that was needed was to continue with the plan, add to the binder, and make helpful additions as the program progresses. Where is the Great-Big-Binder now?

One of the issues I've witnessed is the interest of new Chairs "taking control" of events when they are new to the task. Each successive Chair wants to make improvements and have a signature left behind of their contribution to the program they run. That's human nature for some people. IMO This is a good thing, most of the time. Sometimes things evolve that has effects on people who participate and how people participate. Example: When Tom Brown was President a new social event was developed called "Last Tuesday Social." This was, as I recall, a "Happy Hour" type event that involved hanging out in a lounge having coctails, occasionally having a snack, and meeing lots of fellow members over drinks. Now, It's a full-blown sit-down dinner, and the way to meet other people is to get up from the table, walk down to an empty chair, and introducing yourself to someone new. Because of the evolution of the Happy Hour to Sit-Down Dinner, Monica and I no longer go to these events ... unless we really like the dinner venue. I prefere a more casual, open venue for meeting people. There is nothing wrong with the current Last Tuesday Social event. It's successful, popular and people who love Porsches gather for a great dinner. That's the idea of a great Social Event.

Another thing I've observed is the "Culture of Verbal History" that is the PCASDR. There seems to be more knowledge retained in the heads of past Chairs than written down anywhere. There have been a few exceptions to this cultural condition (Just become the CDI and see how much written information Keith and Jad, and Keith and Denise Dente, and Keith and Dave Gardner, and Keith and .... many other CDI's produced over the years. It's two full file boxes. Impressive). However, for the most part the passing of the baton from Chair to Chairs has been by verbal history alone, and like the "telephone game," interpretation of information ... evolution of information ... appears to occur.

For AX's, there's lots of info written down. Someone simply needs to find it.
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby Don Middleton on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:37 am

rshon wrote:I think the opinions expressed are of interest to current and prospective board members, chairs, and volunteers, and hopefully are taken to heart by those who make this club work. The logistical and organizational issues are relatively easy to fix with a little work...I have some ideas that I intend to bring to the board about how to attack this, as well as some ways to grow the other parts of the club in the process. But we must always remember our number one goal is TO HAVE FUN(!).


Sounds like Dr. Evil is going to start AXing again :rockon:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby jenniferreinhardt on Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:08 am

Dan Chambers wrote:Another thing I've observed is the "Culture of Verbal History" that is the PCASDR. There seems to be more knowledge retained in the heads of past Chairs than written down anywhere. There have been a few exceptions to this cultural condition (Just become the CDI and see how much written information Keith and Jad, and Keith and Denise Dente, and Keith and Dave Gardner, and Keith and .... many other CDI's produced over the years. It's two full file boxes. Impressive). However, for the most part the passing of the baton from Chair to Chairs has been by verbal history alone, and like the "telephone game," interpretation of information ... evolution of information ... appears to occur.

For AX's, there's lots of info written down. Someone simply needs to find it.


One thing about our club is that we have very detail-oriented people! Other well-written Volunteer job descriptions existed/were developed when I was a Board Member. For example, AX pre-registration has an Instructional Handbook as did the Volunteer positions of Windblown Witness Editor, Insurance and other key positions. As you suggest Dan, it just has to be systematically passed down - a good reminder.
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby Dan Chambers on Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:25 am

jenniferreinhardt wrote:
One thing about our club is that we have very detail-oriented people! Other well-written Volunteer job descriptions existed/were developed when I was a Board Member. For example, AX pre-registration has an Instructional Handbook as did the Volunteer positions of Windblown Witness Editor, Insurance and other key positions. As you suggest Dan, it just has to be systematically passed down - a good reminder.


Good to know, Jennifer. I think knowing a Chair position has a guidance manual is a great recruitment tool. It's far easier to recruit a new volunteer when you can say: " It's easy! The process of being _____ Chair is all written down and easy to follow. So, come on and join the other Chairs. It's fun and easy." Imagine if every Chair position had a guidance manual. That would be sweet! 8)

The more documentation we have, the smoother the transitions and the more consistent the events, IMO.
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby JERRY B on Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:17 am

What does loading of the trailer have to do with this Topic
The trailer loading plan was on the door of the trailer last time i looked, right next to the time schedule
Mark Brey has the note book, ie passing it along
What we really need is a Equipment Chair
Why must there always be 1 or 2 people that have to complain about something at every event even if it goes very good? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby gulf911 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:00 pm

Jerry,
Ya know, I wasnt happy with the way you waved the flag to start me off on my second practice lap... :lol: Other than that , an excellent event! :mrgreen:

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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby JERRY B on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:31 pm

Have you ever tried to wave a flag with fingers in both ears? :burnout:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby blakebastain on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:48 pm

Jerry: the events are awesome, and we AXers are lucky to have such a devoted group of people that work so hard to make it happen. But can you honestly tell me you'd hate it if things ran smoother and more people helped? Wouldn't more people AX if that were the case? Isn't that the topic?

Dan: I'm sure the unload and load plans exist, but they're not widely publicized. They're printed in small type on one page, buried on one side of the trailer. If they were printed huge for all to see, I think more people would help, because they'd know what to do and when to do it.

Everyone else: I love this club. Not only has it brought about a great relationship with my father, I've met an awesome bunch of people to boot. And it's made me a better high school English teacher, if you can believe it. (Think: goal identification and instant feedback, but for sentence structure instead of corners.) Maybe it's the teacher in me, but I think broader education would be a cheap and effective way for more people to help and things to run more evenly.

This isn't about assigning blame; how could it be? We obviously have a great batch of people. But even on my best teaching days, when I get home and have a beer and some time to reflect, there's a little voice that says, "You know, if I do this next time, it'll go even better." It is not unlike the voice that I hear at the end of my laps, when I'm still .08 seconds behind Kim Crosser.

Be better next time. We all think it, otherwise we'd all quit after our first lap.
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby JERRY B on Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:30 pm

I was very happy with the speed and neatness of the trailer loading crew at the last event.  :bowdown:  :bowdown:  :bowdown:  :bowdown:  :bowdown:
The only thing I would change Is to have a Equipment Chair to keep track of things in the trailer 8)
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby Dan Chambers on Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:11 am

JERRY B wrote:What does loading of the trailer have to do with this Topic
The trailer loading plan was on the door of the trailer last time i looked, right next to the time schedule
Mark Brey has the note book, ie passing it along
What we really need is a Equipment Chair
Why must there always be 1 or 2 people that have to complain about something at every event even if it goes very good? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Jerry, you guys are doing a great job. Glad to hear the lit is still in existence. Keep up the good work, you guys. If anyone gripes about your events, shake their hand and say "Welcome to the job of AX Chair! You'll be a fine Leader. Here's the manual." :lol:

All you'll hear is crickets. (Chirp, chirp, chirp). :wink:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby Mike on Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:46 pm

Oct 1 AX, Q tire management, where old tires (and cones :wink: ) go to die. :twisted:
hope I dont get beat by a Leaf. :wink:
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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby John Straub on Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:45 pm

Nice photo dude! You must be taking lessons from Randy. :)

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Re: Why aren't you autocrossing? A chance to say why.

Postby kleggo on Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:34 pm

i've been too busy flying my wingsuit and can't afford (time and $) to both skydive and drive.

look for me to return in the fall.

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