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Postby Dan Chambers on Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:54 pm

As the outgoing AX Chair is 2004, I recommended to the incoming A-X Chairs that they should consider a line-item for the 2005 season on the budget request form: Driver's Award Dinner.

Rationale: If $100 or $200 per event were ear-marked in the budget at each event, the Dinner would be funded, the Board would have been aware of a dinner event by the simple proxy that the money would have been approved for the Dinner all year long, and there would have been no debate. Money was set aside. Board approved the Budget Proviso including the End of Year Driver's Dinner and were aware of the Dinner. The Dinner would be good to go. And, with some careful personnel management, the AX Team could recruit the needed volunteers early in the year to begin the process of putting on a casual ...paid-for event.

One of the "Incoming AX Chairs" rightly identified that this might have stirred up the pot a bit politically and felt uneasy about the idea. The subsequent A-X year had no funding for, no provisions in the AX budget for, and no awareness by the Board for a Driver's Dinner.

If there are those that want a Dinner this year, I'd be willing to come all the way down from the Orange Coast Region ( :lol: :lol: ) and help out.

My recommendation would be to the future AX Chairs: put a line-item on the AX budgets for funding a Dinner. Create a group of volunteers within the driving sector ( most likely the enthusiastic AX drivers) to help organize and plan the Dinner. Work with the calandar to be sure no direct conflicts occur with other evening events.

And should the Board reject the AX Budgets (for the political hot-button that this Dinner idea seems to creat) let the Board members explain to the approximately 150 or so drivers (that fund the SD Region with the bulk of their money*) and members at large why there will be no Autocrosses/DE's that year.

Finally: remember that a grass-roots political system is driven by input from the members. Do not rely soley on the benevolent knowledge of the Board members to make decisions in a vaccuum of communication with the members. Be vocal. Be willing to ask. Be willing to express your interests .... there is nothing worse than having someone else assume your interests for you. Communicate to your Board of Directors clearly what you want. They are your stewards of the club, not the royal family and/or heirs to any throne. They are at your service, and not the reverse.

*( numbers hover around $45,000.00 annually generated by AX profit ... add in DE and TT profits and the sum is greater. And: in addition, In 2006 the President contacted the various chairs in an effort to allocate additional funds to multiple Chairs at the end of the year. This, in order to utilize the cash-surplus the SD Region had and avoid higher taxation at the end of the year. Could a Driver's Dinner have been a good way to spend a bit of cash-surplus? :roll: )
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Postby lrayner on Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:15 pm

So where can we see the cartoon :D

I think Gary is right on with his comments. At the one and only Board meeting I attended, it was decided to put less financial detail in the Board minutes published in the Windblown Witness, specifically including less detail on AX profits, with a "why stir up the troops" sort of rationale as part of the reasoning as I understood the discussion....

And Ted, I think I'm stating the sentiment of the vast majority of the members I know in saying thank you for all you do for the club. It's O.K. if we don't agree on everything. It's just a car club after all-- life goes on regardless.

I'll help the ad-hoc "Drivers Dinner Committee" any way I can. Let me know.
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Postby harnishclan on Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:40 pm

Come on let's go for it this year! We already have 3 volunteers, and if Gary is in, that makes 4.
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Postby John Straub on Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:38 pm

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Postby LUCKY DAVE on Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:33 pm

A driver's dinner sounds like an ideal venue for all of us to discuss the relative unfairness of the BIR index (to MY class anyway :lol: )
Jeans and T shirts with hypoy 90 stains (and a tie) would be the perfect dress code for a car club dinner.
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Postby Ted Myrus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:19 pm

Good discussion going on here. For those new to the club or those who feel disenfranchised allow me to give you a little organizational history. This region is unique in that we conduct our elections comparatively early as opposed to other regions in the Zone. We know in October who the new Board and officers are for the following year. The Installation Dinner, Awards Banquet, Gala, or whatever you choose to call the event use to happen before the New Year. We found ourselves competeing with every other corporate holiday party. Someone in an earlier post on this thread mentioned finding a facility to accomodate 200 people. That is not easy and reservations are usually done almost a year in advance! Consequently we moved the event to after the holidays when the industry is in a lull and more receptive with better prices. We incorporated a charity auction and recognize the charities we support. This also gives us a bargining chip with the venues. A nice dinner event also gives us an opportunity to thank our corporate sponsors and advertisers. Historically driving awards and recognition of the Enthusiast of the Year , as well as Family of the Year, etc. happen at the event. Five or six years ago it got out of hand. There were long speeches, crap door prizes where everyone got a NOS tee shirt or hat, etc. Long and boring to the point where the band put their instruments back in the cases having never played a note, for their time was up! Additionally the events were way over budget and heavily subsidized by the club.

That has changed. The events are at nice venues, good food, good entertainment, and succinct programs.
This year is a milestone event. It is our club's 50th Anniversary. There are only 5 clubs still active in PCA that were chartered before us. Speaking of active, your club is the largest Region in Zone 8. We have been twice recognized as the Region of the Year. Plan to attend. Save the date. It is January 12, 2008. I have been ridiculed for selecting the Hotel Del Coronado for the event this year. I can not think of a better location for the Country's Best Region to celebrate its 50th Anniversary. Incidently,the Del's cost is comparable to other facilities in town with the capability of holding an event of this magnatude.

Enough of the past and present :!: Let's talk about the future and a dedicated driver award event. :lol:
I don't understand the desire for a casual, low cost event? Doesn't a year's worth of competition deserve a proper party? We know finding a location in and around the holidays is difficult. We know that it should not compete with other club events. So let's change the game. Here is my suggestion. Change the driving event year from a calendar year to a fiscal year. Extend this year 2007-2008 until March 2008. That makes this year a 15 month season. The following year would revert back to a 12 month driving season. The Driving Awards Event would then be conducted in April of each year. Is it doable? Of course it is. When there was an earthquake in the bay area and a football game was rescheduled what did they do? They adapted. When there was a terrorist attack in N.Y. and a baseball game was cancelled what did they do? They adapted. When the baseball players went on strike and the season was shortened what did they do? They adapted. Would there be issues, yup. Are they insurmountable, nope. First thing that comes to mind are rule and class changes. Easy, implement them at the begining of the fiscal year not the calendar year.

Just my rambling thoughts. I would suggest pitching this year's Board for a change. If you don't grab this bull by the horns no one else will.

My fingers are tired. Why doesn't this thing have spell check?

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Postby Jackie C on Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:13 am

I'd like to thank Gary, Brian, Ted, Dan etc for all their input. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes here as we can all see. The outlined detail of how this has been handled in the past and how it might be handled in the future are enlightening. I personally don't care for the fiscal year idea, but that's just my opinion. Can this year be salvaged with the blessing of the Board? It would appear that answer may still be too little too late. Would a poll help to see the general consensus of the AXers? Probably not unless someone wishes to chair an event without a budget. Can we approve a budget request for Jan/Feb driver's dinner at the Oct board meeting? Discuss this with the current Board members or show up at the meeting with your ideas or discuss with the Board liaison. If someone presents it, I would be happy to take it from there and put together a committee to execute it. My opinion.
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Postby Speedy on Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:34 am

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Ted Myrus writes:
I don't understand the desire for a casual, low cost event? Doesn't a year's worth of competition deserve a proper party?

Hell ya it does… ;-)
I think it’s the “proper” and the expense to the members that’s not jiving amongst us. Ted it's okay that you don't understand the desire, just that you are aware of the desires are of those you have been elected to represent.

In the “Pits” there’s consensus that this year’s event is a bit too much, $75 versus last year’s $45, for a party that doesn’t quite suit want the Driver's of this club desire.

I have to disagree with the statement that the Hotel Del is comparable to other venues. The Hotel Del is one of the most expensive venues in San Diego.

I’ll ask the question…
What are the expenses for this grand event in January?
What was the budget request, if any? What's the budget?
Is there a breakdown of the cost the board can allow it’s members to view?
How much of this year’s event is being subsidized from Clubs profits, etc.?
How much is being passed onto the members?
Where is the 50th Committee and Social Chair at, as far as the planning and raising monies, gaining sponsors etc.?

I do not believe we need to wait until 2009 to give the Driver’s their far overdue Driver’s Dinner.
I further believe in our board and their ability to adapt, as Ted states, and it is totally possible to get this done.

Why not give the Driver’s the casual dinner they desire at a far minimal cost? This is what is wanted.

My Dad’s owns Historical Site #11 in Chula Vista. It would be an outdoors event. I’m offering the venue. Plenty of parking space is available, as the Chula Vista Mall’s parking lot is nearby.

I’m totally great at the party planning stuff and would like to offer my talents…
Also, as the club’s charity chair, I would certainly conduct some sort of silent auction at the Driver’s Dinner and therefore using the “charity chip” Ted refers to when searching for our venue.

One more thing… Perhaps we can hold another Charity T-shirt sale, and give half of the profits to the Driver’s Dinner~ just as we did for the 50th committee. Gary, got any cool designs you may want to use?

Also, I just received the numbers form Parade’s Charity account. It is $8242. I suspect that the numbers for how much our region is to receive should arrive any day, if they haven’t already!

“Attention in the pits” Get yourselves to the next board meeting. I’ve heard form two board members. Ted & a “Hummmmm” from John. So get to the meeting and let the other board member’s know what it is that you want and have a game plan to present.


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Postby harnishclan on Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:43 am

I prefer the casual route. If this continues around this curve, we have gone full circle. Which means no dinner this year, the need for budget requests and much planning, etc. That all might work next year, but the immediate and now is this year, and we are now down to 56 selectable dates...

Another option for a site is Admiral Baker Field after an AX.
Still casual, very close to the stadium, there is electricity, plenty of parking.
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Postby mrondeau on Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:11 am

I also prefer the casual route. Something fun and little bit rowdy with trash talking and lots of excuses as to why it didn't get done this year (tires, hung over, needed a haircut, left blinker was out, etc.). It still needs to be done after the November AX as it is the last one for points so that we can see how we all did.

I'm willing to help out any way I can to make this happen. Let's push this through and make it happen. The important thing is to have a party to celebrate our accomplishments, friendships and camaraderie. Jackie, count me in for whatever you need. :lol:
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Postby harnishclan on Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:14 am

Okay, our ad hoc committee is forming fast. Of note there are 3 944 drivers and one boxster driver. Things are going to get crazy unless an air breather steps up!!!
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Postby Curt Yaws on Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:20 pm

A large, year-end party is appropriate to get the whole club together. It's good for people to meet folks with similar if slightly different interests. However, the drivers want an informal party and the drivers pay the bills. At one of the few board meetings I attended this year, I think I recall Ted mentioning a party budget of some $45,000 for the del Coronado. I know my hearing is bad and hope I'm way off on that number, but perhaps our Treasurer will post here and clarify the total cost. Of course attending members will pay some of the cost, perhaps 200 people at $75 each or $15,000. The club will subsidize the balance with money from where, profit from driver events? So really the drivers are paying anyway. Maybe some would like lower driving fees. With a party budget like that I have to remind myself that this is a car club and not a hedge fund.
Several things come to mind. Transparency of income and expenses is quite lacking, and with good reason. Fear that a revolution would occur. There will always be events that don't make money that are good for the club. We need to cover those. But let's put the budget in the Witness for all to see. After all, it's your money.
If we want driver dinners, we should support board members who support that idea. One of your votes should go to Dave Gardner who is the only one who has spoken in favor of this idea.
If enough folks want a driver's dinner regardless, then an informal party at Speedy's Dad's place could no doubt occur without subsidy by the board. I believe the board's fear is that drivers will go to an informal party and skip the gala party. That will cause the club to have an even greater loss from the yearend party. I suppose one way to get your point across is to make someone clean up their own mess, and if a large amount of money is lost by the club on the event, perhaps the new board will come up with another idea that fits better.
A poll of membership regarding the driver party might be good. I haven't seen a lot of comments here saying "I want a larger Installation Dinner" but most people on the forum are drivers.
I would be happy to help with a driver party, especially if Speedy does all the planning. :D
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Postby Dan Chambers on Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:24 pm

.... regarding the "budgeting" of a Driver's Dinner ... Here's a thought:

IF the 'organizers' of the DD (Driver's Dinner) were to check with the Treasurer as to the fiscal health of the Region, then talk to the AX Chairs about allocating all potential profits from the Non-Points/End of Year Autocross (AKA Other-Car-Autocross) ...and charge a measly entry-fee for those who didn't drive that day (say $10.00 per person, or show your Tech Inspection Sticker with the date for dinner entry) ... and .... here's the 'clincher' ... have the DD directly after the Other-Car-Autocross (which would encourage more people to show up ... especially those receiving awards .... which would in turn bolster even more profit ..... Oh, the humanity ....) THEN: you'd have your DD event, you'd have a great turn-out, you'd have the funding, and it would not interfere with your precious Installation Party.

Now: I know it would be tough ... if not impossible ... to have the actual awards ready for the DD since it falls so soon after the last 'points' AX. That's one issue. HOWEVER: if the award winners from the driving events who ordinarily don't attend the Installation Dinner were to be allowed to enjoy a pre-Installation Dinner happy-hour and pick up their coveted trophy on display at the Happy-Hour, before the Installation Dinner and proceedings started, then perhaps everyone might be a little happier. :lol: And just think: some of those infrequent 'non-Installation-goers' might just sign up for the dinner, since they're already there. :roll: Just a thought.

If the DD were to publish a simple list of award winners, and hand out an interim ribbon, or trinket, then they can announce the class winners at the Driver's Dinner to the applause and admiration of all their competitors. The Class Winners would get their rightfully-earned recognition. Just a thought.

Now, if a numb-skull from the OCR can think up stuff like this, surely the SDR wiz-kids can come up with a plan.

Oh ... and one last thing: someone in this thread inferred that we might leave the past behind ... "enough of the past and present" ... Well, I like the notion of: " Those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it." I, for one, would choose to learn from the past for a brighter tomorrow. :wink: But, that's just me. 8)
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Postby Jackie C on Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:35 pm

Ok, looks like the drivers have spoken and hopefully will be attending the board meeting in force. Just look at the number of hits on this thread to see just how many people are interested!
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Postby jenniferreinhardt on Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:11 pm

More ideas to chew on

-If the Drivers want it - they should get it. Let’s make a Driver’s dinner happen but at the same time not take the wind out of the sails for the already planned, booked and budgeted 50th Anniversary Celebration. This would entail not having the Driver’s dinner too close to January 12th. I will attend both dinners to support our club. New policies can be brought forward and voted on for future celebrations next year.

-Our Driver’s dinner should be a celebration of the time, effort and money we have put in to driving so it should not be too casual - i.e. pizza, BYOB and DIY BBQ. The venue should be nice but not formal. We can talk shop but we want our families to enjoy the special event as well. Some slightly winded, but welcomed, recognition is to be expected.

-Present to the Board, at the next Board meeting, several possible non-conflicting dates, venues and a budget for approval to be preferably subsidized or at least mostly subsidized by the Club. Can we say creative financing?

- Possible dates could be Dec.15th after the AX. (I liked the Boat Party). Although the last TT is at the end of Nov, Time Trial winners would be known, recognized and engraving of trophy plaques could be distributed later. Or, perhaps a dinner in early February if December is not agreed on.

Lastly, Trophies should again be VERY NICE as to reflect our strong efforts
driving and volunteering as well as our Porsche Marque. (Who is in
charge of trophies this year?)

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