KP class

[RickK]

Difficult to admit, but I know these 944 Turbo are fast. It is probably part of the reason why porsche stopped theire production.

I agree and that is why I am leaning towards selling my C4 and getting a 944 Turbo or Turbo S.

[Jad]

Boy KP is a fun class, I got 10th in the BRI, 11th ttod and 4th in class

KP had 5 of the top 11 in the BRI and 5 of the top 12 times overall. No competition there and if only I didn't screw up and leave 2 seconds out there.

Dan, thanks for at least letting me know which cone I nudged out of the box. I feel better knowing what happened.

Bring on Buttonwillow!

[bobbrand]

My car actually only has 15 points right now. Adding the rollbar added 40 pounds which keeps me in KP for this season. (it is still too heavy)

True, I am planning on going to KI next year and it would be even better if KI and KP became one big class.
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2740 lbs = 3031 - 50lb (0pts) -100lb(4pts) -100lbs(4pts) -41lbs( 4pts)

Non-stock springs: +2 pts
Adjustable sway bars: +2 pts
R compound tires: +2pts
Strut brace: +1 pts

Grand total for Martin's car: +19 pts.

[bibbetson]

My car actually only has 15 points right now. Adding the rollbar added 40 pounds which keeps me in KP for this season. (it is still too heavy)

True, I am planning on going to KI next year and it would be even better if KI and KP became one big class.
)

2740 lbs = 3031 - 50lb (0pts) -100lb(4pts) -100lbs(4pts) -41lbs( 4pts)

Non-stock springs: +2 pts
Adjustable sway bars: +2 pts
R compound tires: +2pts
Strut brace: +1 pts

Grand total for Martin's car: +19 pts.

You're kidding me, no LSD or adjustable shocks on that car? I'm under the impression that Jad's cheater Turbo S is the only one that gets LSD and adjustable shocks for "free".

Doesn't matter however becaue I don't want to see anyone change classes (yet). It's too much fun bouncing the finishing positions around.

[martinreinhardt]

Bob, I will know soon, but I think my car was 2780 pounds. If so I will run with the spare wheel (30 pounds) to be fair if I add more go fast parts to my car.

Bill, no it doesn't have LSD or adjustable shocks. But it would be nice to have

[bibbetson]

Boy KP is a fun class, I got 10th in the BRI, 11th ttod and 4th in class

KP had 5 of the top 11 in the BRI and 5 of the top 12 times overall. No competition there and if only I didn't screw up and leave 2 seconds out there.

Dan, thanks for at least letting me know which cone I nudged out of the box. I feel better knowing what happened.

Bring on Buttonwillow!

Jad, you didn't beat me by .01 seconds!
I knew I shouldn't have taken that license plate off.

[Jad]

My car actually only has 15 points right now. Adding the rollbar added 40 pounds which keeps me in KP for this season. (it is still too heavy)

True, I am planning on going to KI next year and it would be even better if KI and KP became one big class.
)

2740 lbs = 3031 - 50lb (0pts) -100lb(4pts) -100lbs(4pts) -41lbs( 4pts)

Non-stock springs: +2 pts
Adjustable sway bars: +2 pts
R compound tires: +2pts
Strut brace: +1 pts

Grand total for Martin's car: +19 pts.

You're kidding me, no LSD or adjustable shocks on that car? I'm under the impression that Jad's cheater Turbo S is the only one that gets LSD and adjustable shocks for "free".

Doesn't matter however becaue I don't want to see anyone change classes (yet). It's too much fun bouncing the finishing positions around.

My cheater car gets the LSD, but I am taking points for adjustable shocks +2
springs +2
Camber plates +2
tire compound +2
tire width +2
weight +4 (though last month on the scale it was 3017, with the stock weight at 2998, I may not need points, but that was before the windows and some interior) I hope to weigh it again shortly, but really doubt I am below 2848 , but certainly not 3250 anymore . I also think the shocks and camber plates are silly points as you can achieve the same results with no points if needed.

I agree with Bill, the class is so fun right now, lets quick spending money improving the cars and just race


PS .01 seconds, yes, the day was not a total loss

[Otto]

Jad:

Are you running the stock swaybars? How about that chip that you ran at Fontana? No shock-tower brace? You better start watching that point accumulation or it will have you racing with Jack. That is why my car cannot lose more weight and my only option is for me to go on a diet.

[Jad]

Unchipped now, as you get 7 points for a minor chip or 7 points for a giant turbo and 2 bar boost. Until I go there and race Jack, weight is my goal. It really helps more than all the others and is CHEAP.

To run KI, I would need to run better tires than Toyos and this class is just too much fun right now to spend big money to go a little faster. I can still lose the cat converter to save some more weight and I have some points to play with for strut brace, big sway bars etc. I think I will be in KP for quite some time to come.

Big turbo, big chip and sticky rubber and watch out Jack if I continue on the slope I have been on but hope to leave shortly

[Otto]

Jad:

IMHO it will be very tough for you to keep up with the RS Americas and even with me on the big track without a chip. You experienced that at Fontana where you had to install the chip to win your class. Losing weight helps a lot but how do you plan to keep up with your stock 250 hp with, say Bob Brand with 250 hp at the rear wheels or even with me with my est. 230 hp at the rear wheels?

You are running stock swaybars? Your car must sway like a boat. Is that why they called you Capt. Nemo?

[Jad]

I have no problems at most big tracks. I beat Martin by 4 seconds at Fontana. Bob cheated and ran Hoosiers and has a lot of experience there so he drives it REALLY well (oops, did I compliment an aircooled driver). I haven't ever lost at a time trial and my car is SO much faster than it use to be, that it should make up for the improved competition.

In the last year, I replaced the original springs and shocks, added cooling to the intercooler, added brake cooling, added camber plates, widened the tires to 275's and reduced the weight by 300+ lbs. Compared to what I have been driving, the car is a dream. There is more to be done if necessary, but for now I am more than competitive with the RSA's at TT's and can even keep up at most AX's.

I believe 200 lbs of weight removal beat a chip (~20 hp) in overall performance for the same points and weight removal improves reliability, where chips ?????? If I go to the next class, it means really spending money and doing it right to be competitive.

See you at BW and we will see if I change my mind on Sunday and chip it like at Fontana

[kary]

I have no problems at most big tracks. I beat Martin by 4 seconds at Fontana. Bob cheated and ran Hoosiers and has a lot of experience there so he drives it REALLY well (oops, did I compliment an aircooled driver). I haven't ever lost at a time trial and my car is SO much faster than it use to be, that it should make up for the improved competition.
......

As long as you do not choke like this past auto-x There are not any cones on a big track to hit but BW has many places to mess up, keep that in mind as you are running your timed runs! (Gotta help out those air cooled boys with some head games.... )

[Otto]

Jad:

Your low-weight approach is sound and it is the racer's dream strategy because it helps handling, acceleration and braking while reducing wear and tear. However, I found it difficult and expensive to remove sufficient weight to match the benefit (and low relative cost) of a set of chips, even my mild Autothority street set which should allow for reasonable reliability. At the end of the day (or Sunday) you may find the same, as you did at Fontana, where you had to opt for the chip.

Unfortunately I won't be able to chase you at Buttonwillow because I have to travel to Mexico at that time. Maybe we can compare notes at Willow again. It is fun and motivating for me to try to keep up with your very competitive KP class, even if I have to choke on your exhaust fumes in the process.

[Jad]

I have no problems at most big tracks. I beat Martin by 4 seconds at Fontana. Bob cheated and ran Hoosiers and has a lot of experience there so he drives it REALLY well (oops, did I compliment an aircooled driver). I haven't ever lost at a time trial and my car is SO much faster than it use to be, that it should make up for the improved competition.
......

As long as you do not choke like this past auto-x There are not any cones on a big track to hit but BW has many places to mess up, keep that in mind as you are running your timed runs! (Gotta help out those air cooled boys with some head games.... )

Hey, if there is a no choke chip it is in! I wish I could blame the car for the AX, but in reality, pure driver, the car could have easily won the class

[Dan Chambers]

(Gotta help out those air cooled boys with some head games.... )

Kary, here's a headgame for you:

RickK wrote:
"I agree and that is why I am leaning towards selling my C4 and getting a 944 Turbo or Turbo S."

Whoa!