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Postby gulf911 on Fri May 19, 2006 9:21 am

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mark k wrote:I dont know if my extra hp would have saved you from that spanking at streets.BTW a early car stipped down weighs about 2200 lbs or less.
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It may not have been the h.p. difference b'tween Dan's (or Richard Parks or my...) 3.2L and your (or any other 3.6L enetered..) at SoW....but I think the difference in usable torque b'tween a 3.2L and a 3.6L is a factor that needs to be acknowledged.

I have not done a comprehensive search, and I am still looking for another PCA TT or AX class other than AM where the results of the last rules change enable cars with such different base engines (3.6 vs. 3.2) to be competing in the same class.

Don't get me wrong, the rules are the rules...don't like 'em...don't have to play. Simple.

But... it's extremely difficult for for any 3.2L to beat up on a 3.6L in an equally pointed out AM car.

Mark, I KNOW you are a vastly superior driver than I am ...and a heck of a cool guy too :D and Dan is a lot better driver than me as well...but historically I have been able to joust with Dan all day long since we both have 3.2L's...but if you come out in AM with a 3.6L powered car....game over....we might be able to hang with you for a lap while we fade back as we go....but 3.6L power will and does, eventually just overwhelm most any 3.2L...the 3.6L just has more plain 'ol low and mid range grunt, and will just out power a 3.2L, especially in cars of nearly the same weight.

I think as long as the current rules are in effect, there is no complaining, only a realization that the days of AM being an early bodied 911 class with RS flares and 3.2L motors is over. Those cars are now obsolete....


Good points John, and I would have to agree. Rules are rules and for a .50 ribbon I am just going to go out and have some fun... :D
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Postby Brad Roberts on Fri May 19, 2006 10:28 am

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The ribbing and comraderie (sp?) is fun and entertainting to say the least.

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Postby Curt on Fri May 19, 2006 11:17 am

gulf911 wrote:If you can get my car down to 2200, we need to talk... :wink:


Have you ever considered eating a salad? 8)
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Postby Curt on Fri May 19, 2006 11:46 am

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Curt....
Feel guilty?? :roflmao: There is a 2.9 in POC that is killing the 3.2's...oh yeah, like the one you have now... :shock: :lol:



You have a very interesting way of looking at things..... kind of like Stevie Wonder 8)


Listen doofus, that 2.9 car you speak of in POC is in V3, like mine is! Johnny Riz's car in POC is in V2. Now I'm not that strong at math, so maybe you can help me out here. Is V2 = V3 ? No? Well then why in PCA are they both AM cars?


And about Kinningers car this year and Rolands car last year? What class does an SC or Carrera with a stock 3.6 in it run with POC? Is it V3? I don't think so, but in PCA, both AM cars.


Do I seem a little testy today? Well, I just paid $1500 for one of those big a$$, hideously ugly, outrageously tacky looking 19 foot high, 40 foot wide wings that you all are running in AM now.


"Any aerodynamic device not stock on the car = 2 points"


ANY aerodynamic device? So this is two points.....

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AND this is two points?!!!!!!!


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Sorry, these early cars look beyond stupid with these new wings on them. However, I'm not sorry I called Dan a doofus in this post. He is going to get the whoopin' of his life at Buttonwillow. There, you read it right here. I have put about $7k into my car since the last event I ran last summer. Dan is going to get pummelled! :twisted:

So who here is going to beat Dan for me? 8) :D
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Postby gulf911 on Fri May 19, 2006 12:18 pm

"Listen doofus, that car you speak of in POC is in V3, like mine! Johnny Riz's car in POC is in V2. Now I'm not that strong at math, so maybe you can help me out here. Is V2 = V3 ? No? Well then why in PCA are they both AM cars?"

You need a nap.... :lol:

Who said anything about Mr. Riz?? Most of the cars in V3 are 3.2's, that 2.9 (like yours) is winning, so I don't know what you are saying... :roll:

Honestly, after putting that kind of money into your car, if you lose , I can't wait to hear the reasoning behind it.... :wink: Its the car, its always the car.... :beerchug:

Jad!! Can you bring the shears??? :roflmao:
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Postby Curt on Fri May 19, 2006 12:46 pm

gulf911 wrote:Who said anything about Mr. Riz?? Most of the cars in V3 are 3.2's, that 2.9 (like yours) is winning, so I don't know what you are saying... :roll:


Smokey,
That 2.9 in POC is winning by cheating. He keeps getting DQ'd for being too light when he comes off the track. Does POC give a blue ribbon for being disqualified? See the lengths us small displacement guys have to go to to try and stay with the 3.2's?

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Postby Jad on Fri May 19, 2006 1:15 pm

How did I get brought into this mess. I have a measly 2.5 and can only dream of weighing 2290 :?

I am already working on excuses. Toyo seems to have discontinued the RA1's so I may be on pretty sorry tires by Sunday afternoon at BW.

Curt, buy me some Hoosiers for timed runs and I promise to beat Dan :wink: What was it, about 4 seconds last year? :D
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Postby Red Rooster on Fri May 19, 2006 1:20 pm

Jad wrote:......Toyo seems to have discontinued the RA1's .....


Jad, you serious? can you point me to a link?

Thanks!! :D
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Postby Mike on Fri May 19, 2006 2:04 pm

Red Rooster wrote:
Jad wrote:......Toyo seems to have discontinued the RA1's .....

Thanks!! :D

According to the guys at Frisby tire in about 2 years the RA-1 will be replaced with the R-888. Similar tire new tread pattern.
It appears the R-888 is in being used overseas now.
Here's a link to a photo of the R-888.
http://www.toyojapan.com/new_tires/proxes_r888/index.html
Sorry to interupt your AM discussion. :wink:
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Postby gulf911 on Fri May 19, 2006 2:08 pm

Curt wrote:Smokey,
That 2.9 in POC is winning by cheating. He keeps getting DQ'd for being too light when he comes off the track. Does POC give a blue ribbon for being disqualified? See the lengths us small displacement guys have to go to to try and stay with the 3.2's?

:D :D


Dear king of not telling the whole story...

He was disqualified because he was 10lbs underweight, yes TEN, because they didn't drain all the gas to weigh it in the first place.....yeah, he was definately cheating... :roll:

You still need a nap... :lol:
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Postby Jad on Fri May 19, 2006 2:20 pm

Red Rooster wrote:
Jad wrote:......Toyo seems to have discontinued the RA1's .....


Jad, you serious? can you point me to a link?

Thanks!! :D


Can't point to a link, but none of the usual sources have any or even an ETA of when they might be in. Guesses are because production has stopped as they ramp for the RA-888. They have said at least 2-3 months wait :cry:
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Postby gulf911 on Fri May 19, 2006 2:25 pm

Jad wrote:How did I get brought into this mess. I have a measly 2.5 and can only dream of weighing 2290 :?



Probably the way I dream about being able to run 275's all around with close to 300hp and a 50/50 weight displacement... :wink: Man, it just never stops... :lol:

Jad wrote:Curt, buy me some Hoosiers for timed runs and I promise to beat Dan :wink: What was it, about 4 seconds last year? :D


Everybodys a comedian..... :lol:
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Postby gulf911 on Fri May 19, 2006 2:29 pm

Mike wrote:
Red Rooster wrote:
Jad wrote:......Toyo seems to have discontinued the RA1's .....

Thanks!! :D

According to the guys at Frisby tire in about 2 years the RA-1 will be replaced with the R-888. Similar tire new tread pattern.
It appears the R-888 is in being used overseas now.
Here's a link to a photo of the R-888.
http://www.toyojapan.com/new_tires/proxes_r888/index.html
Sorry to interupt your AM discussion. :wink:


AM Class 3.6 widebody....oh you're funny you are.... :lol:
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