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Postby 993Panzer on Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 pm

I go away for a long weekend and return to the forum on fire about the drivers dinner. That's great!!! Most of what has been said is great and productive. I love the enthusiasm and input we get on this forum. The drivers dinner is near and dear to my heart as it is with many other drivers. I believe we can get this done for this years awards. If we do a few simple things we can get the event planned and approved by the board. The event would have to be in February for all of the reasons stated earlier in this thread. We can't compete with the installation dinner or Zone 8 awards dinner and December and January are out of the question because of the holidays and higher rental rates. I believe we need something a little more formal than pizza and beer under a tent but not a black tie event either. The driver s do contribute to the clubs income. If you look at the July financial numbers it breaks down something like this.

#1 Time Trials 21.0%
#2 Banquets/Charity/National Rebate 20.2%
#3 Windblown Witness 19.8%
#4 Auto cross 19.5%
#5 Performance Driving School 7.3%
#6 DE 4.3%
#7 Everything else 7.8%

Some people may be surprised by some of these numbers but they're right from the published numbers. Even though we may have thought a different category may have been #1 it still breaks down that driving events bring in 60% of the clubs income YTD.

If we can present a united front to the4 board with the appropriate budget requests and actual costs for the event I believe we can make this happen. There is more than sufficient time to do this if we unite and act now.

Please DO NOT boycott the installation dinner. This will not help our cause and can only serve to hurt it.

I have been told a realistic cost for a drivers dinner would be about $10,000. If we can talk the board into letting us use the money saved by not mailing board ballots (about $3800) and charge a small fee ($10 to $15) per person we're over half way there and will only need an additional $4800 to pull off the event.

As co-CDI I'd like to be involved with the planning of this event and offer my services to make this happen. I'll do what ever is required to make this event a reality.

This is very doable and in my opinion together we can make this happen.

I'd like to thank everyone for posting their input regarding the drivers dinner. This thread may well turn out to be the catalyst to make this a reality.

I hope to see you at the dinner. :D
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Postby harnishclan on Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:21 pm

Sounds like a lot of people want to be on/near water. Sounds fine to me, but still don't want to wait until Feb. Though not too crazy about actually using a boat that is underway. Having spent 13 of my 22 navy years on ships, it is of no concern to me, but many don't like the motion or of being "trapped" for the duration. If results and trophies are a concern, then award trophies without the nameplates and then have the nameplates engraved and mailed to the winners. That allows a dinner virtually upon completion of the the last driving event.

MBYC sounds great to me, $30 per person with some amount being subsidized by PCASDR and using some of the parade windfall that someone mentioned earlier. Either way we should put something on this year for this season, and for next year, a fully planned and funded event. We would having something to build upon that way.

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Postby jenniferreinhardt on Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:10 pm

Thanks for your support, ideas and clarification of the financials Dave.

4 words - I VOTE THE BOAT!

Sometimes, we must wait for good things and February looks like the best time. Next year an annual Driver’s Dinner can be voted for and occur closer to the end of the season.

Now, I believe we can have 2 GREAT events to attend in the new year! And ATTENDING BOTH we should to support our Club!

1: PCASDR Installation Dinner and 50th Anniversary Celebration
2: 1st Annual PCASDR Driver’s Dinner

For you X-Navy People, the Boat stays at the Dock. And for you Black Tie and Coat Avoiders, one note, for most people, it is not very often in our lives that we have the opportunity to attend a celebration at the Historic Hotel Del.

Here are some visuals to get us all in the mood to celebrate!!!! Pictures are of the previous 2005 Driver’s Dinner on the Berkeley, the driving awards that year, and a photo of one of the Ballrooms at the Dell.

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Postby Kim Crosser on Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:47 am

Random thoughts (see #4 in particular, just got the info):

1. I would like to see us keep the costs down - under $60 per person. While I enjoy a good party, we don't need to spend a lot on the venue, band, or gourmet food (hamburgers, Mexican food, Mediterranean buffet, etc., would be just as good as a sit-down dinner with prime rib, filets, etc.).

2. I think we should ask the club to contribute 2/3 of the cost, up to $40/person. If we have 200 attendees, that is $8,000 max.

3. The Berkeley was a nice venue - that would be fine again if we can get it. If not, the William D. Evans would be fun, or MBYC (if we have fewer than 200 people!). MBYC has a great location, plenty of secure parking, and very good food/drink, but limited space inside for a party (fire occupancy sign for the main dining room says 170 people).

4. The Birch Aquarium is available for rent for evening events - $2000 + $11/person, PLUS any catering costs (they have 20 approved caterers, or UCSD food services [which do a fabulous job and provide really good food!]). Lots of parking, secluded, great location/view, and you can wander around the Aquarium exhibits. If we could get good catering for under $40/person, that would be within my suggested $60/person guideline.

5. Gary Seiler (his band played at the Parade Beach Party) is a good friend of ours - fun band, Buffett covers, island music, classic rock, etc. He is probably the premier Buffett cover artist in the U.S., and has opened for Jimmy. He would probably cut us a good deal for a couple of hours performing (by himself, or with one or more of his band members - he does a nice duo with Ron Bell on keyboards).

6. If no band, then maybe an inexpensive DJ? A party without some background music just doesn't seem like a party. Or maybe we have a secret music maestro in the club who could put together a nice bunch of party CDs?

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Postby Gary Burch on Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:50 pm

What"s up with the censorship on the forum?
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Postby Speedy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:20 pm

Isn't this a members club? Who's hiding what? :wink: :?
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Postby GT3Girl on Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:50 pm

Wow! After reading, re-reading and reviewing my older Windblown Witness back to 2002, AND in lieu of the timing in all of this such as the upcoming Board elections, I feel this forum could be the right place to voice my opinion, concerns, etc.

I am finding it very difficult to understand how this DRIVER”S DINNER hasn’t been a “BUDGET ITEM like, for example the INSTALLATION DINNER. I would have never assumed or thought that a year-end driver’s award event - an "earned achievement award event" would be minimized or piggy-backed with an “inauguration” party.

My curiosity prompts me to ask, “how has all of this come to the point where we are relying on someone posting under Items of Discussion (thank you GARY!). What people in leadership positions – past and present, have known of the drivers’ desires (whether those desires were made formally or informally)? Why are we relegated to scrambling around at the last minute to possibly make something happen – when, from what I am reading, and from people I’ve spoken to – it’s been a very well known request. Now we’re 7 months into the season and just now – due to some assertive and vocal people – we might have a voice, after all. I, like many other posters, believe it is important to figure out what went wrong so we can have resolution not only for today (this year), but years to come.

As I read all these posts and about everyone's desires, having served on two Boards (not with PCA) in the past 9 years, what comes to mind are the basic conduct and procedures that I learned and was compelled to follow.

The most basic premise of a Board member’s duty is his/her fiduciary responsibility to the electorate. The Board would be remiss not to take the drivers' wishes into consideration particularly since it contributes at least 50% (gross income from what I've read) to the club’s income.

Furthermore, the charge of a good leader (and I’m not referring to just the Board president but all Board members – as leaders) compels him/her to address and protect the interests of even the weakest members (those who may not know procedures or be uninformed). You might ask, “What does this have to do with our current situation?” Truly effective leaders would have solicited the required paperwork, be they budgets or proposals for this event. They would have requested this from those sanctioned to submit such proposals/budgets. This way, it wouldn’t appear as though they were being negligent by omission. The mere act of this “omission’ seems to be a catalyst for what could be construed as dissension or apathy.

I find it hard to believe that this has been a popular “hot” topic for the past couple of years, because the crux of the matter is that as a Board member and leader, simple democratic ethics compel them to make this topic a matter of priority within the operational terms of the club and NOT brought forth in a forum, at the last minute and in haste, (as in this instance) where semantics plays a vital role in understanding or misunderstanding each other, or wherein these misunderstandings could develop.

Another concern I have comes from a common statement that I’ve read in Board minutes and recently on this forum. The statement goes something like this “We can’t do this because it conflicts with that….” We are fortunate and should be proud that our Club offers venues for the enjoyment of Porsches in a variety of ways. Some like to show them, polish them, others prefer to drive them, yet others participate solely for the “socializing aspect” such as the nice couple that I personally met, at the Last Tuesday
Social who only attend Last Tuesday Socials. However, to limit the freedom of choice by only offering an event if it doesn’t conflict with another, is to interfere with the opportunities we all joined the club to pursue. It’s not logical to schedule, for example, two events within a certain group (an autocross on the same day as a time-trial). Yet not offering a driving event due to a conflict with a social event OR for example, a Concours event, or not offering a Driver’s Award Dinner because it might detract from the Installation dinner, denies me, the driver the choice and vice versa. Does anyone truly believe that because there won’t be an autocross for the next 4 weeks, that I am inclined to participate in a different event – perhaps a Concours? No. What it forces me to do is seek out other clubs that can satisfy my interests.

I wonder what would have happened had Gary not created this topic for discussion on the forum. I can’t imagine that Board members past or present were aware of the wishes of the drivers, but failed to slate it as an item on the agenda in the beginning of the year where things could have been planned in a timely manner without creating such angst.

My opinion stated above, by no means is meant to distract or take away from the honor and recognition that is intended by the purpose of the Installation Dinner. Yes, it should be exactly what it represents, a formal inauguration of sorts to celebrate a year of hard work and an exciting year to come. That this year’s event is held at the Hotel Del seems fitting, considering the recognition that this region has rightfully earned. But let’s not stop there. Let’s recognize those who have earned their “badge” and those who have given of their time, energy and resources to make events such as the driving portion of our club, successful as well!

Inasmuch as this commentary is open to interpretation and by posting it, I might be subjecting myself to who-knows-what, simply stated, I’m hoping that you seriously consider the bios of the Candidates so you can weigh the likelihood that their platforms will more accurately reflect your preferences, ideas,and interests.
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Postby Steve Grosekemper on Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:28 pm

Just for those of you not in the loop, you must be a member of PCA to post here. We had to make this change to eliminate the insane amount of spam coming through the site. So yes the public can view this but not comment (like government agencies)

So it is for our members to communicate ideas and technical support.
The board asked that no specific club financials be posted. So Dave's specific dollar amounts were removed and the percentages (Not specific) were left in. The message still gets across without the exact numbers as was proven by all that has gotten done just from this single thread.

Another specific rule for posting is that no officer of the club be defamed on the forum. While the artwork was amusing, (some may have said) it apparently was based in falsehoods so the executive body thought, and it was asked to be removed. As much as a president might want to be the King, he is only one vote and can't spend money as he wishes. And a good thing the president is not king as I would have been beheaded long ago.

So don't worry, if you tic someone off and they come onto the forum saying that the charity poker game developed into strip poker and dog fights where former CDI's were urged not to undress for obvious reasons, and then they posted "Possibly photoshopped" images as proof; they would be removed as well.

This is not journalism 101 or 60 minutes, this is a club of friends that all like to hangout together and we just have the same stupid car addiction.

So play nice so I don't get any stupid late night phone calls when I'm trying to pretend like I know something about 8th grade geometry. :wink:

BTW- I thought the Berkley was an awesome balance of cool and casual and would love to see that happen again. I'll wear my "good" driving shoes
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Postby Gary Burch on Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:34 am

While the artwork was amusing, (some may have said) it apparently was based in falsehoods so the executive body thought, and it was asked to be removed.



I take serious exception to this.

The amounts that were posted, but later removed, DO add up to a bag full of money, even if you only look at the percentages it's still a bag full of money. And if the caption wasn't correct why are we having this discussion now?

I know the President does not make the decisions alone, but he represents the process. So he is the one in the drawing.

It is their choice to remove it (the cartoon), but don't make me out to be a liar.
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Postby Curt Yaws on Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:01 pm

I'm just curious. Dave's post indicates that the financial information is published. I assume that means in the Windblown Witness, but I don't recall seeing it there. Did I miss that, or is the information available elsewhere? Inquiring MBA's with finance undergrad degrees want to know.
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Postby Jackie C on Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:23 am

Sorry Curt, I can't answer your question, but to anyone who's been following the driver's dinner issue, the ad-hoc group met yesterday and have a tentative plan to present to the board on Sept 5th. Several people have given significant time and effort into making this a viable event. Special thanks to Jennifer Reinhardt, Leigh Rayner,David Gardner, Ron Trotter and Brian Harnish for stepping up and working together to get a plan of action in just a few days. Please attend this upcoming meeting at the Straub's to show your support.
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Postby Curt Yaws on Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:20 am

Way to go, gang. Very special thanks to Jennifer Reinhardt, Leigh Rayner, David Gardner, Ron Trotter, Brian Harnish and Jackie Corwin for the time and effort of planning this Driver Dinner program that so many drivers really want. These people are taking their personal time to support our club, just like the many volunteers and our board do every month. Please support them all in every way you can. Give every volunteer you see a big thank you! We are very fortunate as a club to have so many dedicated volunteers, and it shows in the quantity and quality of our programs. What other group are you affiliated with that puts on the quality events that PCASDR does, with 100% volunteer staffing?
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Postby Jad on Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:05 pm

As a public corporation, they are required to give the financials to anyone who asks, though they are not required to publish them where it is easy. This board has decided to make it difficult to get the information in order to protect us. Just ask them nicely in private and you will get a copy.
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Postby GT3Girl on Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:06 pm

From what I know, the financial standing of any club and the details pertaining to expenses, income, etc are made available at every board meeting. And from what I know, Board meetings are open to club members. Whether you are taking notes from spoken issues OR reading hard copies of statements, it's still public information.
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Postby tb911 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:01 am

Curt Yaws wrote:Way to go, gang. .... These people are taking their personal time to support our club, just like the many volunteers and our board do every month. Please support them all in every way you can. Give every volunteer you see a big thank you! We are very fortunate as a club to have so many dedicated volunteers, and it shows in the quantity and quality of our programs. What other group are you affiliated with that puts on the quality events that PCASDR does, with 100% volunteer staffing?


This is exactly what the Installation Dinner is about. While I support having a separate DD, I certainly hope the Installation Dinner is and continues to be successful. It is about recognizing and thanking the outgoing volunteers for a hard long year of work, as well as welcoming in the new group. These people definitely deserve it, as we are 100% volunteer and produce an amazing amount of events of extremely high quality. All of this is the result of a tremendous amount of effort.

This year is especially interesting because it marks the 50th anniversary of the club. I hope everybody recognizes the achievement that this is and turns out to support it.
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