Jan. 24 AX and Jan. 10 parking lot repair

[Bill Behun]

To all: We have scheduled and AX for Saturday, January 24 in the west lot.

At last weeks meeting with the stadium to set the next 6 months driving dates, we all (car clubs) asked if we can repair the west lot ourselves. SCCA has done a bit of this already. The stadium is letting us car clubs make a goodwill getsture to the city and do some west lot asphalt repairs on our own.

The scheduled date for this is Saturday, January 10. Mark your calendars. I'll post more info on this as soon as there is more information. Gee, if we got half of us there from each club we might get half the lot repaired! That would be nice! I've contacted ROEL Construction to gert some advice on repair options.

Oops, I mean

[Gary Burch]

I'll drink to that

OOPS, I meant

[Dan Chambers]

Yo Bill:

Contact Bob Schang at Hazard Construction. Hazard is one of the largest paving contractors in San Diego county, and I'm sure Bob could help dial us in to some top quality work. FWIW: much of Hazard's "Bread-and-Butter" is Caltrans work. Hmmmm. Maybe they know a thing or two about paving and patching.

Also: are we talking about patching or paving? Are we talking "cold-patch" or "hot-rolled"? Will we be able to pull out the chunks in the "gatored" areas and repair it properly, or just "fill" the obvious potholes? Will the stadium provide a disposal area for the broken chunks we inevitably end up with?

Most importantly: who's providng the coffee, and shovels for us to lean on?

[SDGT3]

Dan,

Thats a great idea. Perhaps a "tail load" off one of their jobs would "hit the spot", no?

[LUCKY DAVE]

shovels for us to lean on?

Not anymore!
Typical engineer, I've developed a "kickstand" for shovels that allows them to stand up by themselves.



......the death threats from the caltrans union are starting to worry me............

[MR LIPP]

shovels for us to lean on?

Not anymore!
Typical engineer, I've developed a "kickstand" for shovels that allows them to stand up by themselves.

[Tim Comeau]

Wow!
"
The stadium is letting us car clubs make a goodwill getsture to the city and do some west lot asphalt repairs on our own."
Let me be clear. Bill, this is nothing against you. I like and respect you.
But,
They're letting us make a Goodwill gesture? We owe them nothing.
The City has:
1. Charged us more for a lot they won't maintain, while allowing other tenants to abuse the surface with nails and tent stakes.
2. They've threatened to split the west lot in half , but charge us the same.
3. They've built that Budwieser tent out into the useable space that we pay for.
4. They yank dates out from under our club at the last minute.

Yes, they're the only game in town and we have to deal with them.
Yes, we're low on the totem pole of possible renters.
I'll be there to help repair our playground if I can, not because it's a goodwill gesture to the City, but because I'm loyal to my club and I understand that our hosting events there is what has allowed our club to grow, prosper, and offer a big variety of events like concours, tech sessions, rallies, tours, social. It will be a sad day for us when the parking lots go away or are in such bad repair that they're no longer useable.

[Gary Burch]

Now don't get me wrong, but, I can actually see the city's point of view on this. Now don't take this the wrong way, but, with the infrastructure crumbling around us, pension plans gone awry, and the Chargers demanding a new stadium or we will move scenario, I understand the lack of concern for the parking lot at the stadium. I know it is in horrible shape, but so are most of the roads in this town-let's see what would your priorities be? If anybody should fix the stadium it should be the Chargers. You know they charge $150 for an RV to park for a game. I know the city has screwed us a couple of times on dates and now the fee increase, but that's business. And even at the current rate it's a good deal. Now don't get me wrong about this,but, we, the car clubs, are at the end, or near it, of a very long list. The only way the parking lot will ever be, not fixed, but, manageable will be through our efforts and if they are willing to let us do it, let's do it.

Now if this plays out, the stadium will increase rental fees because the lot is repaired.

[Tim Comeau]

All true.
Yes, the Chargers bitched that the stadium needed "upgrading." So the people spend 10's of millions to fix up the stadium and add seats for them.........then, well you guys know.

Your last line made me laugh out loud so something good came of this.

[ronaldtrotter]

Bill,
Sorry I won't be there. I''ll be leaving that day to tow a boat to Key West and won't be home until Jan. 27. Otherwise I'd love to help out.

Ron

[Autobahn]

There is a rough crew that shows up at Autobahn once a year to do parking lot repairs. They do a great job and I am sure they are cheap, or our landlord would not use them. Beat up old trucks... but they have the equipment and they get it done, small steam rollers, packers etc. I can get their contact info if we do end up taking care of the the parking lot our selves. What if we worked with all the main clubs, divided up the cost by the number of dates and came up with a repair budget that everybody could handle. I don't think in the end it would be that much $$$. Orchestrating that idea might be a little difficult.

[Bill Behun]

Here is what the SCCA did recently to patch a few potholes. Seems to have worked out and is simple enough all us volunteers can do. Bag of Quickrete is cheap enough. Mike of the SCCA thinks the concrete repair will hold better than asphalt - see below. I agree and it will be easier for us to get a smooth/level patch with concrete. I'll coordinate with Michael (SCCA) to determine how many patches we want to make, bags of concrete, volunteers, etc.

Comments?

(From Michael - SCCA)
For the holes I fixed I did the following:

-Sweep out all the debris in the hole
-Pour water in the hole
-Pour concrete from a bag
-Stir it up with a trowel for consistency
-Add more water/concrete as needed
-Smooth over with trowel
-Let sit until hard

I filled the holes I needed to in order to run our course where I wanted it
to go. I used 8 bags of redimix and it took about 2 hours to do by myself.
We didn't have issues with the concrete breaking up or coming loose. On the
other hand, I have hit more than a few larger chunks of asphalt in my Kart,
and have had to replace my seat as a result.

I used concrete since it was easy to work with and it wicked into the
surrounding cracks.

I have not been real happy with the asphalt repair the stadium has done,
other than the ditch crossing. The stuff they put in the smaller holes just
comes out. The large patch in the SE lot is high quality as well, but since
they didn't level it to the surrounding surface it can be dangerous if you
attack it at the wrong angle.

If we can get professional help that would be great. I'm sure the SCCA
would not mind pitching in its fair share. We have our board meeting on the
5th of January, so if we had a $$ figure in mind I can run it past them.

Michael

[Bill Behun]

Sean - can you give me the contact info for the repair company you mention? I live near the stadium so I could meet them out there to get an estimate. Bill

[Tim Comeau]

Comeau Racing will pledge warm bodies. If we decide Redi-Mix is the smarter way to go, we'll also pitch in for some of the supplies and/or tools.
Many hands make light work.
I would suggest that we have a strategy in mind beforehand, i.e., only patch where we normally run because of the conditions, or patch on a larger scale and where we'd like to be able to run.

[lrayner]

I have been getting repair estimates for some driveways and parking lots recently and over the years have utilized a number of different approaches to repairs. While it is difficult to imagine that any approach would be worse than what exists now, some approaches are definitely superior to others.
I didn't look at the concrete repair recently done at the Stadium, but if you go that route there is a cement product that is designed for patching concrete and has superior bonding strenth. Instead of $3+/- a bag, it is $12 +/- but it would be much stronger, and, I think, more likely to stick at the edges.

For cold application/ do it yourself asphalt patch, there is a liquid asphalt emulsion that serves as a glue between the patch and the existing edges, resulting in much better adhesion. Asphalt is harder to smooth than cement or concrete.

I like Seans "rough crew" idea. This is a slow time in a slow economy, and we could most likely get a lot of bang for our buck right now just hiring a crew.

I've put the date down. Bill PM me or give me a call if you need some help getting price comparisons on different options.

Cheers, Leigh