2005 auto-x/TT rules

[Doug]

Steve,

Any update on when they might be posted? I'm trying to be patient!

[Steve Grosekemper]

They are being edited and proofed as we speak. As you should be quite aware, Doug this can be a long process.

I am hoping on having something by the first of the year.

[Doug]

Thanks! Wicked-fast drive in Comeau's zebra-car, by the way!

[Steve Grosekemper]

Thanks Doug, it was a lot of fun and the "zebra" suits my loose driving style.
BTW- Thanks for not running!

[Steve Grosekemper]

The 2005 Driving Event rules booklet is done and off to the printer. These are not posted on the Zone 8 website yet because it is more involved than one might think. Thanks goes out to the entire Zone 8 staff for making this process smoother this year and getting you the final product an entire month earlier than last year!

I have created two PDF files. One of the Autocross and Time Trial rules only, because we have a time trial and autocross coming up very soon; and one set of the complete rules. (including Rally, D.E., and Concours) I will post an article to the rules page explaining the rules in detail in a few days. There is also a new Tech sheet which I should have completed and posted before the weekend is over.

The rules will be posted soon on the zone 8 site and then all the rules links throughout our website will be active.

Go to the Rules page
http://www.pcasdr.org/tech/rules.html
and click on either of the 2005 rules booklet links.
It is directly across from the Zone 8 link.

Print these out and study them as there are many changes that will effect almost everyone to one extent or another.

I hope everyone feels like they got a say in the process this year. Next year we will make it even easier to make proposals and suggestions...say tuned

Steve Grosekemper
PCASDR Rules Chair

[ttweed]

Thanks for posting the rules, Steve. It looks like with only 2 points allowed for Street Stock and the new treadwear rating point for tires between 101-200, my '67 911S is in GS for next year. Anyone want to buy some 205/50-15 Falken Azenis with only 6 events on them?

TT

[Steve Grosekemper]

Tom,
Why not run the 67S in GS with the same set-up as last year.
You would have a 5-point car that should be very competitive.
If you look at last years standings you not only usually beat all the GS/S drivers but the GS and IS/S drivers as well.

So what's the deal, are you really that good a driver, cheating or is the car really that well set-up?

[Dan Chambers]

Thanks for posting the rules, Steve. It looks like with only 2 points allowed for Street Stock and the new treadwear rating point for tires between 101-200, my '67 911S is in GS for next year. Anyone want to buy some 205/50-15 Falken Azenis with only 6 events on them?

TT

Welcome to GS, Tom!

Geeze! Just when I thought I was rid of you whipping me in GS/S, I have to contend with you all over again in GS . Dang it!

I hope the new Azenis 17's with 225's and the soon-to-be-installed upgraded trans (with torque-biasing diff) will get me about a second closer to your times. Now, where to find those other 2 seconds......

I'd guess everyone will be bumping up to GS from GS/S. Otherwise, I can't imagine a lot of bone-stock 944's out there with original springs/shocks/sway bars running on 185/65/15's or 205/55/15's with 250+ wear rating . (Actually, it will be an easy enough adjustment ... just lose one magnetic letter ).


Oh, I might want those 205 Azenis for Monica's 912. lt me know if you're serious. I'll make an offer.

See you all down the road .... in GS, that is.

[Jad]

Looks like I can still run KS with 255 Victoracers It is almost like someone with a similar car is out there writing the rules so 944 Turbo S's have a fair chance against 911's compared to most clubs and classes!

Of course, Amy and I may be the only ones in KS, so it won't matter much.

[Tim Comeau]

Thanks for the acceptance of the 944-spec class as an official Zone 8 AX and TT class!
Watch this great concept grow........

[bryanearll]

For the rule's guys out there:
Stock (factory option) 18" 996 C2 wheels are 265/35 in the rear. The chart says:

Stock:
255 (zero points) (the standard width of the 17" wheel)
270 (2 points)

An additional question. Assuming that my 18" wheels are in fact zero points then a purchase of a Kumho V700 with a Dot of 50 (two points) would still keep me in the new NSS street class assuming no other changes, correct? Further, I presume since other people are using them that the W vs. the Y rating is meaningless because no one is driving that fast.
Thanks,
Bryan

[Dan Chambers]

For the rule's guys out there:
Stock (factory option) 18" 996 C2 wheels are 265/35 in the rear. The chart says:

Stock:
255 (zero points) (the standard width of the 17" wheel)
270 (2 points)

An additional question. Assuming that my 18" wheels are in fact zero points then a purchase of a Kumho V700 with a Dot of 50 (two points) would still keep me in the new NSS street class assuming no other changes, correct? Further, I presume since other people are using them that the W vs. the Y rating is meaningless because no one is driving that fast.
Thanks,
Bryan

Bryan:

Here's my interpretation of your question.

The wheels should be okay. It's really about the tires. My 944 came with 15" wheels, however I now run 17" wheels due to availability of 225 Azenis tires. I don't get dinged for wheels, and no ding for tire size at 225's. I believe I'll get 1 point for the 180-wear rated Azenis.

The tire thing is a bit complicated. If you go to Victoracers, or similar, (R or C-compound) you automatically get bumped one class. I'm fairly sure that it is true for the V700's, too. As stated in the PDF file:

III Points for Modifications, Section C

" "R" or "C" compound, high performance street tires such as Yokahama A008RS, or BF Goodrich Comp T/A R1, etc., or any soft compond high performance tires......"

The thing to look at is the word "or" .... as in "R or C" and "or any soft compound high performance tires." Also, the "etc." part of the sentence that lists brand names and brand ID.'s ..."such as Yokahama A008RS, or BF Goodrich Comp T/A R1, etc.," Like I said, interpreting the ruling on certain specific tires gets a bit complicated.

Your best bet is to email the Tech Inspection Chair for clarity in writing before buying a tire that bumps you into a catagory you want to stay clear of.

Good luck.

[Jad]

If you read the rules carefully, the 'stock' tire sizes specifically say they are not the sizes that came on the car, they are just the sizes to be used for the point system. Thus, even if you car came 'stock' with wide tires, you take points for them (my 996 came with 285's in back). If they are smaller than the specified size for points, no points. Wheel diameter means nothing. There is a list of unallowed items in SS, including any tire with a rating of less than 140, so no you can't run Victoracers in stock. Tire ratings are also meaningless.

Read the classification again and I think you will see your questions answered.

[Carl Scragg]

No Bryan, you can't run DOT 50 tires in SS. One of the most significant changes, in terms of the number of people affected, is the prohibition of any tire with tread wear rating of less than 140 in street stock (Rule A.10 page 7). Last year the limit was 100, so Kumho's Victoracers were illegal even then.

And Dan, might the new diff cost you an additional 2 points? With the new points for your Azenis, are you getting bumped all the way up to GP?

[ttweed]

For the rule's guys out there:
Stock (factory option) 18" 996 C2 wheels are 265/35 in the rear. The chart says:

Stock:
255 (zero points) (the standard width of the 17" wheel)
270 (2 points)

Since the point penalty begins at 270, then 265 is free.

Assuming that my 18" wheels are in fact zero points then a purchase of a Kumho V700 with a Dot of 50 (two points) would still keep me in the new NSS street class assuming no other changes, correct?

No. You missed the street stock specification in section II.A.10 which excludes any tire with a treadwear rating of less than 140 from running Street Stock class. You would be in NS running Kumhos with 50 treadwear, regardless of whether the rest of the car was bone stock.

TT