Pahrump

[JHPGT3]

This thread has been a lot of fun, but it has taken a different turn (downhill and off camber? ) than I originally intended.
I was hoping that those of you who intend to participate in the upcoming event at Pahrump might voice a preference as to the track configuration, so when Jack makes his decision, he has had as much input as possible (from attendees).
I have voted for the "Most Popular".

[ajackson]

For an entire weekend the best I could get in T1 and T2 was 135-140. Try as I might to do better that was it. Come onto the front straight put the pedal down. Turn in at the optimal point, suck it up, and that's it. Less than a month later, with no changes to the car I was doing 150-155. How is this possible?

Mikey, to answer your question, I don't think it is possible!!! At the POC Tribute to which you refer, You did a 1:55. I did a 1:52. I honestly never did more than 130 in T1 and T2 (lost my cajones with Kary a year earlier ). If you were doing 155 and I was doing 130, I musta lost several seconds (let's say 3) to you on that section of track (you could calculate this to an actual number based on the length of that section). Then, how did I make up 6 seconds on the other sections of track? You might have seen 150-155 for a flash of a second but I doubt it was for very long.

Don't forget to take into consideration non accurate speedo's.

[gulf911]

So far I think the 'most popular' layout is winning. Kary, why on earth would you say yes to running the old course but not the 'most popular' new section which has a loooong sweeper it appears? Just vote for the 'most popular' so Dan C can come out and play, we need more obstacles...

[MikeD]

Mikey, to answer your question, I don't think it is possible!!! At the POC Tribute to which you refer, You did a 1:55. I did a 1:52. I honestly never did more than 130 in T1 and T2 (lost my cajones with Kary a year earlier ). If you were doing 155 and I was doing 130, I musta lost several seconds (let's say 3) to you on that section of track (you could calculate this to an actual number based on the length of that section). Then, how did I make up 6 seconds on the other sections of track? You might have seen 150-155 for a flash of a second but I doubt it was for very long.

Well John....

A) It's not like I spent the entire time in the corner looking at my speedo. But when I did look at it, it read anywhere from the high 140's to 155, depending on how well I came out of 21 onto the straight (i.e. traffic).

B) You have 380HP and I have (if I am really REALLY lucky 295). Even if you take corners slower than I do (due to weight bias). The 3 long straights are more than enough to make up a couple seconds.

C) I think your 3 second estimate is a little high. What do you get up to on the straights? My 155 is my top speed. I get it there after start finish and keep it there as long as I can.

D) What am I 5 seconds behind Kevin? And he is in my class!?!? Can you make up 6 seconds a lap on me in a GT3? Ummmm.... yup! I'm sure if you've figured this out yet John, but your getting pretty good at this driving thing.... for an old guy

[Jad]

I think you tires are too small and your speedo is way off. I put a GPS in several cars and everyone claiming 150 or so in normal cars was way off (~20 mph). My turbo, turning 1:55's at Fontana never hit 130mph per the GPS. No way you are doing 155 in your Boxster, maybe in a cupcar, but if you are, you really SUCK on the infield - no wonder you like straight tracks

[JHPGT3]

Mikey, to answer your question, I don't think it is possible!!! At the POC Tribute to which you refer, You did a 1:55. I did a 1:52. I honestly never did more than 130 in T1 and T2 (lost my cajones with Kary a year earlier ). If you were doing 155 and I was doing 130, I musta lost several seconds (let's say 3) to you on that section of track (you could calculate this to an actual number based on the length of that section). Then, how did I make up 6 seconds on the other sections of track? You might have seen 150-155 for a flash of a second but I doubt it was for very long.

Well John....

A) It's not like I spent the entire time in the corner looking at my speedo. But when I did look at it, it read anywhere from the high 140's to 155, depending on how well I came out of 21 onto the straight (i.e. traffic).

B) You have 380HP and I have (if I am really REALLY lucky 295). Even if you take corners slower than I do (due to weight bias). The 3 long straights are more than enough to make up a couple seconds.

C) I think your 3 second estimate is a little high. What do you get up to on the straights? My 155 is my top speed. I get it there after start finish and keep it there as long as I can.

D) What am I 5 seconds behind Kevin? And he is in my class!?!? Can you make up 6 seconds a lap on me in a GT3? Ummmm.... yup! I'm sure if you've figured this out yet John, but your getting pretty good at this driving thing.... for an old guy

Now you've really confused me, because I was doing 155 just before I lifted a bit for T1 (not at start/finish like you, but later!). So you're saying I made up 6 secs. just on the infield!!! That's a lot of time. Whatever. Maybe our speedos are wrong. Someone else (Evan Beale in his GT3) told me he was doing 155 in T!,T2 and my overall time was 2 secs. better than his. Either I'm going a hell of a lot faster in the infield than you guys (I really don't think so) or speedos are in error, or SOMEONE or SOME PEOPLE are exagerating how fast they are on the oval!!
How about some more votes for the config. at Pahrump???

[MikeD]

Well, I guess I suck on the infield then. If anything my tires are larger. My speedo, when I looked at it did in fact read 155. My lap times were in the 1:54's in the race. These are my observations you draw whatever conclusions you want.

And John, are you telling me that it took the entire front straight for you to get to 155? In a GT3 with 380HP?!? Top speed on that car is 190MPH. Come on now, who's exaggerating here? Even if you and Jad are right and my speedo is off by 20 or more MPH which puts me at 135. There's no way your GT3 is only going 20 MPH faster than my Boxster.

[MikeD]

How about some more votes for the config. at Pahrump???

Personally, I don't really care. I'm going no matter which config. it is and I'll have fun no matter which config it is.

[MikeD]

no wonder you like straight tracks

When did I say that? To date I don't think I've met a track I didn't like. Well, Phoenix teetered on the brink of dislike for a while, but I don't think that had anything to do with it being technical or not . But once I got back on the horse (so-to-speak) it became a fun a well liked track.

[kary]

Mikey, to answer your question, I don't think it is possible!!! At the POC Tribute to which you refer, You did a 1:55. I did a 1:52. I honestly never did more than 130 in T1 and T2 (lost my cajones with Kary a year earlier ). If you were doing 155 and I was doing 130, I musta lost several seconds (let's say 3) to you on that section of track (you could calculate this to an actual number based on the length of that section). Then, how did I make up 6 seconds on the other sections of track? You might have seen 150-155 for a flash of a second but I doubt it was for very long.

Well John....

A) It's not like I spent the entire time in the corner looking at my speedo. But when I did look at it, it read anywhere from the high 140's to 155, depending on how well I came out of 21 onto the straight (i.e. traffic).

B) You have 380HP and I have (if I am really REALLY lucky 295). Even if you take corners slower than I do (due to weight bias). The 3 long straights are more than enough to make up a couple seconds.

C) I think your 3 second estimate is a little high. What do you get up to on the straights? My 155 is my top speed. I get it there after start finish and keep it there as long as I can.

D) What am I 5 seconds behind Kevin? And he is in my class!?!? Can you make up 6 seconds a lap on me in a GT3? Ummmm.... yup! I'm sure if you've figured this out yet John, but your getting pretty good at this driving thing.... for an old guy

Now you've really confused me, because I was doing 155 just before I lifted a bit for T1 (not at start/finish like you, but later!). So you're saying I made up 6 secs. just on the infield!!! That's a lot of time. Whatever. Maybe our speedos are wrong. Someone else (Evan Beale in his GT3) told me he was doing 155 in T!,T2 and my overall time was 2 secs. better than his. Either I'm going a hell of a lot faster in the infield than you guys (I really don't think so) or speedos are in error, or SOMEONE or SOME PEOPLE are exagerating how fast they are on the oval!!
How about some more votes for the config. at Pahrump???

Just pop another viewpoint into this. I rode with John two years ago for three days instructing him. His GT3, with MPSC tires (correct sizes) was approaching 155 going into turn 1 without a good launch (ok he was learning) but a GT3 can really go fast all the way around that track. Second point is I usually run about 140 at the brake zone for turn 3. In turn two I can only gather about 130 to 135 due to the turn decreasing and my horsepower. and the drag from my wing. I enter turn 1 between 125 and 130 depending upon my launch from the infield. I run between 1:51 and 1:52 (which is on slicks, obviously a difference for some of the others by comparison).

So if people are going 155 for any period of time on the "outfield" versus in the infield and their times are slow then they are giving up alot on the infield. There is a lot of time to be had on that infield, maybe more than the "outfield".

[kary]

So far I think the 'most popular' layout is winning. Kary, why on earth would you say yes to running the old course but not the 'most popular' new section which has a loooong sweeper it appears? Just vote for the 'most popular' so Dan C can come out and play, we need more obstacles...

Dan, the "most popular" track does not mean the most fun or skilled track. Surely they call the "most popular" track that because the average club for the average members like the track. The original track takes quite a level of skill to post a good time and drive well. I for one have gone there the past two years and have been improving substantialy along the way. I like having something to compare to versus just running someting new that the "average" driver finds "most popular".

[MikeD]

I rode with John two years ago for three days instructing him. His GT3, with MPSC tires (correct sizes) was approaching 155 going into turn 1 without a good launch (ok he was learning).

John, you were going 155 into T1 2 years ago and you were still going into T1 at 155 this past April? Who's exaggerating!?!?! Sandbagger!!

OK, so maybe I'm not the fastest in the infield. Doesn't really matter. I was within a half sec of our fastest D driver. Which tells me that it's going to be a good race come CFoS 2006 and that is all that matters to me . Lap times and corner entry speeds go out the window and all I'm going to care about is getting in front of, and then staying in front of that black and blue 964!!

[MikeD]

Dan, the "most popular" track does not mean the most fun or skilled track. Surely they call the "most popular" track that because the average club for the average members like the track. The original track takes quite a level of skill to post a good time and drive well. I for one have gone there the past two years and have been improving substantialy along the way. I like having something to compare to versus just running someting new that the "average" driver finds "most popular".

I notice that no one has mentioned the longest config. Any reason why not?

[gulf911]

[quote="kary]
Dan, the "most popular" track does not mean the most fun or skilled track. Surely they call the "most popular" track that because the average club for the average members like the track. The original track takes quite a level of skill to post a good time and drive well. I for one have gone there the past two years and have been improving substantialy along the way. I like having something to compare to versus just running someting new that the "average" driver finds "most popular". [/quote]

Well, I won't assume who has called that config most popular. But you can see that it appears to have most of the original config in it including an addtional fast section for you hp boys. I haven't even run the config yet, and neither have the others but most have the same feeling of which config 'looks' the most fun/challenging. I wouldn't mind the longest config either, but it might be a bit too technical for you better than average drivers ....wouldn't want you to burn up those slicks making a lot of time wasting turns...

[kary]

...wouldn't want you to burn up those slicks making a lot of time wasting turns...

I don't actual turn, I throttle steer