I think the commitee has done an excellent job picking a variety of locations and experiences that have offered, but not forced, many options for everyone. Keep up the good work and don't let the minority of whiners get you down.

Jad wrote:... I really am tired of people crying that everyone MUST conform to their beliefs. NONE of these places require drinking, it is always optional. That appears to not be good enough for some, if they don't want to drink, no one else should be allowed to drink...
pyro57 wrote:...Obviously you are the one who want's everyone to conform to your beliefs, anotherwords of you have an opinion don't share it, because Jad does not want to hear it...
MikeD wrote:Jad wrote:... I really am tired of people crying that everyone MUST conform to their beliefs. NONE of these places require drinking, it is always optional. That appears to not be good enough for some, if they don't want to drink, no one else should be allowed to drink...
I have been keeping an eye on this thread and have been trying to come up with a way to express what I am thinking. And this little snippet expresses it very well. I don't attend Tours or Socials, but of the events I do not think I have ever heard the Chair/Host/What-Have-You say that you MUST have a beer if you are going to hang with us. But maybe this is not true of the Tours. Maybe, since that last Tour I went on, the chairs have changed and are forcing people to down a couple.pyro57 wrote:...Obviously you are the one who want's everyone to conform to your beliefs, anotherwords of you have an opinion don't share it, because Jad does not want to hear it...
I don't see where Jad is saying that at all. In fact what I think Jad is saying is "I have read your thoughts and frankly I could care less." Pretty much the same thing you said to Alyson.
BTW, you posted your message on a public forum. Did you really think that noone was going to disagree with you and say so?
I have been keeping an eye on this thread and have been trying to come up with a way to express what I am thinking. And this little snippet expresses it very well. I don't attend Tours or Socials, but of the events I do not think I have ever heard the Chair/Host/What-Have-You say that you MUST have a beer if you are going to hang with us.
pyro57 wrote:Jad,
Obviously you are the one who want's everyone to conform to your beliefs, anotherwords of you have an opinion don't share it, because Jad does not want to hear it. Read the post and open your mind up to the fact that other people's opinions may have some validity. If you hold a position in the club either as an elected officer or as a volunteer it does not necessily mean that you are allways right, But it does mean (in my humble opinion) that you have an obligation to at least listen to the opinion of the membership, if you don't like what you hear, go ahead and do it your way, at least you listened. From reading your reply I assume that you don't feel that anyone should speak up about anything that they disagree with or they are a whiner. As far as drinking, I don't care if you do or don't, my point was that I didn't feel that "all" of the events had to end up at a brewery or a winery.
If you don't like for people to diagree with you then you'll have to "Get over it".
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Jad wrote: I really am tired of people crying that everyone MUST conform to their beliefs."
Jad wrote: That appears to not be good enough for some, if they don't want to drink, no one else should be allowed to drink."
Jad wrote: I think the commitee has done an excellent job."
Jad wrote: Keep up the good work
Jad wrote: and don't let the minority of whiners get you down.
Jad wrote:
Kary, I agree with you, but if you read Ralphs very pleasant response to start this thread, pyro57 is the one that made it nasty and had the big attitude. New people should feel welcome, but that doesn't mean they can be mean and complain about things and expect everything to change just for them. From what I can tell, you, pyro and Larry vote for less drinking, and about 40 others I have talked to like it how it is. So, from my unscientific pole, club leaders are providing what the members want. There are a lot of others who were just smart enough not to voice their opinions, THUS THE POLE IDEA??? Oh wait, my opinion is the only one that counts as it is probably what the majority want, but not what pyro wants, thus mine counts and his doesn't - maybe that is his point
kary wrote:I posted earlier in this thread about the leadership (and the community) should try and make people feel welcome and heard.
Dan Chambers wrote:That we have failed to convey this message to you (and, apparently others) means we're still not communicating our degree of involvement and effort. I guess we'll just have to work harder for you, kary Clements.
Respectfully.
Gary Burch wrote:
That's it. My last offical act as AX chair is- You must drink to drive!
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