New or old classes?

[Greg Phillips]

The final decision will be up to the autocross and TT chairs whether they will awards trophies based on the present classes or the new classes.
But here is you chance to let them know which you prefer.

Greg

[Greg Phillips]

Comments are also appreciated along with your votes

Greg

[lrayner]

Is it correct that 944 Spec. and Boxster Spec. are not affected by the new classification system?

[Gary Burch]

As you would guess I voted for the new class structure.
The current system is a dinosaur roaming around the backwaters of Qualcomm.
Rub those class trophies and hold 'em close, cause next year is a new ball game.

[tb911]

Is it correct that 944 Spec. and Boxster Spec. are not affected by the new classification system?

That is correct!

[Dan Chambers]

As you would guess I voted for the new class structure.
The current system is a dinosaur roaming around the backwaters of Qualcomm.
Rub those class trophies and hold 'em close, cause next year is a new ball game.

.... and, in this man's opinion, "a new ball game" that levels the field to a more just and fair paradigm. Let me give you one example .... the only one I can use being my own.

Greg Phillips 911SC is "near the top" of the points scale in II class, according to some (I haven't pointed out that car, so I can't say that this is accurate). My 911SC is at the bottom of the II points scale with 25 points. Otto Obrist's car is max'ed out in II at near 40.The difference in points between, say Otto's or Greg's car and mine can be upward of 15 points in II. 15 points!! Heck, that difference in one class is like a combined classification of ISS, IS, and IP... all competing in the same class! Imagine an X-SS car (X being the first letter of class ... fill in your class letter here) competing with a X-P car in one class. Really? Really!?! MSS vs MP. Really? Really!?!

So, on any given day, at any given track, with the wind, sun, and temperatures just right, and faded-red 944's moving into your line "flat out," there can be as much as 5 seconds ... five whole seconds ... between the same class-cars in II. Yes ... 5 seconds. Really? Really!?!

Now: In the new system, Otto would be up there with the big boys (where he belongs ... Mr TTOD) in a class 3 or 4 above my own, and Greg's car would be around 1 to 2 classes above my "low-end II" car. So that: when Otto spanks my @ss by 5 seconds for TTOD and Greg/Steve G. humilliate me with a 3-scond best ... I don't feel so bad with a 25-point car. Because, they're not in my class. I'm now competing with the likes of 930's, Boxters, 944S2's, etc, all similar to my car in points and in actual times. Yes, ACTUAL TIMES. There is no 3 or 4 or 5 second disparity in the same class. Huh, imagine that. Cars of equal capability competing against each other. Mmmm. Mmm. Mmm. What a concept. Really.

So, this is just the ramblings of a "bottom-of-the-points" guy who's battled cars that are way more prepared than his own in the same class. My situation is unique, and probably not shared by too many others. But if you've "been there" you know that squeezing the Jacksons out of the wallet to be competitive is not necessarily what motorsports is all about. Or ... maybe I'm just crazy. Well, okay. ... not "maybe."

[Don Middleton]

Is it correct that 944 Spec. and Boxster Spec. are not affected by the new classification system?

That is correct!

Tom, why would that be the case? The Spec. classes are just another set of modifications to the base car. The new system would handle these Spec cars quite nicely.

The last thing we need is a proliferation of classes like we have in the old system. I think you told me you counted 75 classes in the old system, which is one of the primary problems with it. The other problem is, of course, what Dan describes in detail with Prepared, Improved, Modified and Race classes.

[Steve Grosekemper]

Is it correct that 944 Spec. and Boxster Spec. are not affected by the new classification system?

That is correct!

Tom, why would that be the case? The Spec. classes are just another set of modifications to the base car. The new system would handle these Spec cars quite nicely.

The last thing we need is a proliferation of classes like we have in the old system. I think you told me you counted 75 classes in the old system, which is one of the primary problems with it. The other problem is, of course, what Dan describes in detail with Prepared, Improved, Modified and Race classes.

Don,
No one is saying these spec cars can't run in the new class system; only that they have an option. This is no different than a 944 spec running in GP. These are cars from a different series that we are weloming into our events for the betterment of all. They get to drive with a great bunch of drivers and we get to fill the grid.

[tb911]

What Steve said

The reasons for having them now are just as valid in the new system; basically, inclusivity.

[Don Middleton]

What Steve said...The reasons for having them now are just as valid in the new system; basically, inclusivity.

OK, Steve/Tom. Thanks. Makes sense. Now, we just need to get to that new system.

[Gary Burch]

BUMP,back to the top

[Greg Phillips]

It looks like we will be using the present (old) system for the SDR autocrosses.

But for the time trials, the San Diego Region will use the new system for SDR trophies.

The Zone trophies for AX and TT will still be based on the present (old) system.
So start checking you points and classes soon.

Greg

[CrashBrown]

Hmm, 34% - 66% . . . so much for the will of the people.

[tb911]

Hmm, 34% - 66% . . . so much for the will of the people.

You can always try actually talking to the chairs, perhaps on the 15th even, I hear they attend the events..........

[Don Middleton]

Hmm, 34% - 66% . . . so much for the will of the people.

You can always try actually talking to the chairs, perhaps on the 15th even, I hear they attend the events..........

Interesting to hear that, Tom. We had the impression there were other constraints to moving to the new system this year. Are you saying it is completely a Chair decision???