Beer hostage

[ronaldtrotter]

This whole thing just makes me tired. I think I'll have another beer.

[4est]

The people standing around drinking a beer while I and a very few people worked our butts off trying to load the trailer is the very reason I stopped AXing. You would have to tell people, ususally quite forcefully, to get out of the way so you could deposit your 50 lb, double arm load of cones in the back of the trailer. If everyone pitched in, it would take about 10 minutes to load the trailer, and then everyone could enjoy a beer.

P.S.
It never seemed to be the newer people doing this.

[MTrotter]

VOTE "YES" ON PROP 8!

There, that should change the subject long enough to have a beer.

[Gary Burch]

I would say vote "NO" on Prop 8, and have a Daiquiri

[MTrotter]

or a cosmopolitan

[gulf911]

I would say vote "NO" on Prop 8, and have a Daiquiri

Is that the highest you can get that wheel off the ground Gary??

[thunderbox]

I appreciate the efforts of organizations such as MADD, etc. to keep us all safe and aware. But I don't think we are their target group.

Anyone who uses any alcohol of any kind for any reason is their target group. MADD is really a front for (the Evangelicals, the Southern Baptists? I forget...) that fanatically oppose alcohol on religious grounds. They want to stomp out any behavior that doesn't fit their beliefs. (sound familiar?)
If they called themselves "Sour Faced Christians against fun" they wouldn't get much support, but who doesn't love Mom and apple pie?
Brilliant marketing.........

In my opinion, MADD has done more bad than good. They have stopped underage people from setting up driving pools and DD's for parties because ANY underage drinking is bad and this would be condoning it. They had laws changed that made an underage drinker have the same punishment for walking home as they would have driving. Makes you really want to drive home, less exposure. The are really not helping at all.

Why do the personal believes of one or two people mean that 200+ of us have to change our ways?

[Gary Burch]

I would say vote "NO" on Prop 8, and have a Daiquiri

Is that the highest you can get that wheel off the ground Gary??

It's camera angle... I'm sure

[gulf911]

Ok , how is this different from a beer at an AX?

Nov 8th "Wine & Dine" Tour to Salerno's in Ramona

Funny , I don't see the complaint on that thread.

[oregonduckman]

As the instigator of this thread hijacking my intent was to point out that it seems strange to me that a club such as ours that promotes performance driving would serve alcohol after an event just before the participants drove home, specially when young people are around to see the example set by us older (> 21) folks. In response to your comment "Ok , how is this different from a beer at an AX?" in reference to the upcoming Wine and Dine Tour I would say that anyone who participates in the Wine part of the tour would hopefully bring along a designated driver to handle the driving while the person who is the designated drinker can throughly enjoy them self without the worry of a DUI or something even worse. Personally I would not be complaining about the drinking after the AutoX if designated drivers were assigned to those individuals who wanted to have a drink after the day's events, I think this would set a wonderful example for the young people who attend the events.

[mrondeau]

As the instigator of this thread hijacking my intent was to point out that it seems strange to me that a club such as ours that promotes performance driving would serve alcohol after an event just before the participants drove home, specially when young people are around to see the example set by us older (> 21) folks. In response to your comment "Ok , how is this different from a beer at an AX?" in reference to the upcoming Wine and Dine Tour I would say that anyone who participates in the Wine part of the tour would hopefully bring along a designated driver to handle the driving while the person who is the designated drinker can throughly enjoy them self without the worry of a DUI or something even worse. Personally I would not be complaining about the drinking after the AutoX if designated drivers were assigned to those individuals who wanted to have a drink after the day's events, I think this would set a wonderful example for the young people who attend the events.

It appears that you are saying that those people that would participate in the Wine and Dine tour would be more responsible about their drinking and/or driving then those who participate in AX events?? No matter how you slice it, it still comes down to personal responsibility. Every day, people make choices that affect their lives and the people around them (the pebble in the pond). Unless you're a big fan of police states, I would suggest letting our members continue to make responsible decisions without interference.

[oregonduckman]

I guess I have done a poor job of expressing my thoughts based on your conclusion of my last statement. In my own obtuse way I have been promoting designated drivers whenever cars and alcohol are in the mix. I really like your "Pebble in Pond" analogy but conversely I am not advocating a police state or anything close to it. I am trying to suggest that as the local chapter of the PCA we can set a better example to the community at large when it comes to drinking and driving. I think that as performance driving enthusiasts we have a special responsibility to demonstrate the safest practices possible and that drinking and driving fall short of this goal.

[gulf911]

in reference to the upcoming Wine and Dine Tour I would say that anyone who participates in the Wine part of the tour would hopefully bring along a designated driver to handle the driving

For a single glass of wine? not likely.
You really need to be consistant with your views, regardless of the venue...

[LaLa661]

in reference to the upcoming Wine and Dine Tour I would say that anyone who participates in the Wine part of the tour would hopefully bring along a designated driver to handle the driving while the person who is the designated drinker can throughly enjoy them self without the worry of a DUI or something even worse.

So, "hopefully" they have designated drivers? Do you know for a fact that these tours have DD's driving people home? What if they don't? Then are you going to make the same stink over their events? Or is it "okay" because that's a more "sophisticated" event? The tour also centers around driving sooooo, how is it different than AX? And I think the reality is that people go on these tours, drink their wine and then drive home. Gee, maybe they shouldn't have alcohol at these events either. I don't hear you making that same argument though. I still ask why AX has to be singled out. There's no promotion of drinking during the event -- or even after, it's there if you want it. If you don't want to drink, no one makes an issue of it or singles you out.

I think this would set a wonderful example for the young people who attend the events.

Wonderful example...? Okay, so is everything we do have to be an example for young people? What about the people that overdrive the course? Should we immediately ban them from AX because it sets a bad example? We aren't responsible for other peoples children. If we're doing something that could harm them, then yes I agree that those actions should stop. But otherwise, it's their parents that need to teach them right from wrong and set a good example from which to learn.

I can appreciate that you want to protect people from drunk driving, and that you want to set a good example for the youth of our country, however I believe this is the wrong setting to do it in. Don't think that you're the only person in this club that cares about drinking and driving. I'm sure there's a large portion f people in this club that havet been affected by drinking and driving, either directly or indirectly. I know that it has made a personal impact on my own life. Losing friends in that kind of accident is horrible. Does that mean I want to go out and mandate that anyone having a drink can't drive afterwards? No. I believe in personal responsibility. But, that doesn't mean I wouldn't step in and intervene if I saw a fellow AXer that had too much to drink and decided it would be a good idea to drive home. Then, in that situation, that's part of my responsibility as a human being.

Obviously, AX is being singled out from the remainder of the events which is entirely ridiculous.

Can we drop this stupid thread?

Ron, i'm with you...i'm gonna have another beer...or three.

[MTrotter]

I personally think im irresponsible.... I drink, I drive fast, i drink and cuss in front of kids...
No wait. that just makes me human.
Who wants to start a organization called "DAMM" Drunks Against Mad Mothers?