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[LUCKY DAVE]

I can't wait for the driver's dinner. Should we wear our helmets?

[Jackie C]

No helmets needed, but bring your boots..

[Steve Grosekemper]

Dan that's the most sensible thing I think I have ever seen your name attached to. Is this the kinder friendlier Dan??

Jad? In my lowly 211hp puny 3.2L car? He can't beat me in his own 3.6L fire breathing Challenge car... Wow, I feel better now...back to my old self...I don't know what came over me...

I do realize I will have to pay for that Jad...

Would that be this car Dan?
Who is the fire breathing one?

[va122]

Hold on, why would the RS be classed any differently then another 7-GT3? For that matter, I have to ask why all the GT's are classed together?? A GT2 will always be MUCH faster then a GT3 and a 997 GT3 or rs is faster then a (stock) 6-GT3 yet they are all Q. Makes no sense.

I know the Orange RS and it's owner, he hasn't had a chance to mod it yet, his (6-GT3 was nuts). He is an excellent AutoXr. He was SCCA national champ, i don't remember how many times. So where did this cheating thing coming from? Hoosier A6s are legal in the stock class,

[Jad]

Victor,

Several of the rules are not right, but they are still the rules. A 993 C4S has to take lots of points for brakes, width and other tweaks despite being slower at an AX than a basic coupe. Not fair, but that is what the rules said. I think the RS falls under the same category. It is slower than a GT2, but according to the rules, probably should take points for all the options/changes from the standard GT3 which probably moves it into a higher class by default. Do you have details as to what the difference is between a standard and an RS?

[SDGT3]

First off I know the owner of the RS and Victor is right, he is a National Champion with SCCA, great driver, period.... But he told me that he had taken out the seats to lighter seats (driver and passenger) and he took out the stock roll bar (I don't know what the weight redux is). For timed runs he went to light weight BBS and A6s

Differences:

996 GT3: 381 hp,

997 GT3 RS 415 hp

997 GT3 RS: has more torque, lightweight flywheel, adjustable shocks, wider track, wider rubber on the road(not sure on the weight difference), larger wings/downforce etc.

I've driven the 997 GT3 back to back with my 996 GT3 at Las Vegas and Buttonwillow and the differences are minimal. The 997 is more stable and maybe a second or 2 faster on those tracks.

Then I drove a 997GT3 RS back to back with my 996 GT3 at CalSpeedway and the difference was HUGE. The RS is so much faster in everyway and every corner, slow, medium and especially on the banking it is as stable as granite. Mine, no so much with a lot of steering input expecially on the banking. I think it was a 5 second gap. That particular Orange RS at the ax with that driver did a 1:46 IIRC, at Calspeedway. That is nearing Cup Car times.

In my opinion, the RS should probably add points from the base 996/997 GT3. I don't believe there is enough of a difference in the 996 and 997 GT3 that it makes a difference. The GT2 is in a different league altogether and absolutely positively should not be in Q, but there is only 1 GT2 that competes, so it doesn't make much sense to make a new class just for 1 car, but I'm sure Victor will disagree, but he has a point.

just my .02

[gulf911]

GT3/RS dfferences - 20kg lighter (44 lbs) 44mm wider track (1.75 inches) , close ratio gear box, cool paint job. Apparently Porsche knew the 50lb and 2 inch track increase rules...

You see, Jad just ignores me now... Steve...not so much....

[va122]

997 GT3 RS: has more torque, lightweight flywheel, adjustable shocks, wider track, wider rubber on the road(not sure on the weight difference), larger wings/downforce etc.

Not quite. The RS and Base have the same HP/Tq, and the same PASM and gearbox. With the RS you get the wider track and thus a minor revision in geometry. And of course the wing. In testing the differences are approx .2 sec on a big track ( i need to look that up). There is a 50 lb weight difference IRRC (from the sunroof delete.)

I have driven the RS stock back to back with my GT3 when it was still with the stock coilovers and yes it is faster and more stable (although I hated how slow the shocks revalved themselves). The RS you drove was modified wasn't it?

[SDGT3]

Vic,

The numbers I quoted were 996 gt3 vs. 997 Rs.

The RS I drove had no mods with the exception of the mufflers.

[Otto]

In my opinion the GT-2s should be in a different class with a different BRI value even if at the moment there is only one car. In the hands of comparable drivers, the GT-2 should definitively beat a GT-3.

If the consensus is that a GT-3 RS is a faster car then as Jad and Peter say, the RS should take points for some of the critical differences, for example the wider track. If there isn't a rule already (haven't checked), a wider track should be charged 2 points. Further, since the GT-3 is the "base" car for that class, the "base" weight of the GT-3 RS should be the same as the GT-3 and weight penalty points should be assessed to the RS against that "base" weight as applicable. Regarding the wing, either the "base" GT-3 should be allowed to sport the same wing of the RS without penalty points or the RS should be charged 2 points for a "non-stock" wing since it is different than the "base" car. Similarly, If the brakes are larger in the RS than the "base" GT-3 then the "base" GT-3 should be allowed to upgrade to the RS brakes without penalty or the RS should be charged 2 points for the "non-stock" brakes. Same consideration for other modifications that are contemplated in the rules (swaybars, springs, etc).

[Steve Grosekemper]

GT3/RS dfferences - 20kg lighter (44 lbs) 44mm wider track (1.75 inches) , close ratio gear box, cool paint job. Apparently Porsche knew the 50lb and 2 inch track increase rules...

You see, Jad just ignores me now... Steve...not so much....

Couldn't let that picture go to waste...

[va122]

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I agree 100% about the 2 vs 3. Without a flux capacitor installed for time travel I'll never beat a 2 Although Steve provides plenty of motivation to get better.

An RS is slightly faster then a base 997 GT3 but not by that much, however they both are faster then a stock 6-GT3. In POC the stock 7-GT3 is "prepared" while the 6-GT3 is in "stock" or "improved" if they are on DOT-R. The GT2 is classed with the race cars, don't remember exactly.

[gulf911]

the RS should take points for some of the critical differences, for example the wider track. If there isn't a rule already (haven't checked), a wider track should be charged 2 points. Further, since the GT-3 is the "base" car for that class, the "base" weight of the GT-3 RS should be the same as the GT-3 and weight penalty points should be assessed to the RS against that "base" weight as applicable.

Apparently I am ignored by everyone.. There are points penalties for wider track already, but like I said above, only over 2" which the RS is not. The ceramic brakes are an option which would not add points either? The weight is under the 50lb point penalty as well. Again , this is for 997GT3 vs 997GT3RS. He was legal by the rules, and obviously a capable driver. Anyone up for a rule change in the D vs G saga? 1 car entry allowed no matter how many drivers drive it? Talk amongst yourselves...

[va122]

So the ship has sailed on the GT2 vs 3?

I don't care that much really, this is supposed to be FUN! Seriously.

[Jad]

Did someone post something?




If they did, I may be forced to ask when was the last time they beat me in a race or time trial? Was it in the 90's?

Don't worry old man, I hear you, I definitely hear you