Corner Working Poll for the new Year.

[gulf911]

Please let us know what you think.

[Jackie C]

How many times can you vote???? Just kidding.
Merry Christmas

[Curt]

Wow, nine people (or 37%) don't even want to TRY paid corner workers.

That's ok. I don't even want to TRY German chocolate cake. I'll stick with brusselsprouts. I don't even want to TRY a vacation in the Carribean when Death Valley is available. I don't even want to TRY cotton underwear when burlap is so much more affordable. I don't even want to TRY and drive a Porsche when there are so many great deals on Oldsmobiles.

Heck, I don't even want to TRY this whole internet thing when we could just light signal fires in our backyards and communicate that way.

Ahhhh, a little good natured sarcasm from me? How odd.....

[Curt]

How many times can you vote????

Apparently, nine.

[MikeD]

How many times can you vote????

Apparently, nine.

Well, actually, you can only vote once per user and you can't vote unless you are logged in. Since there hasn't been a surge of new registered users, I have to believe that there are 9 different people who do NOT want to try paid corner workers. Odd as it may seem, that appears to be the case.

[gulf911]

Odder yet, I'll bet I can tell you who the 9 are...

[martinreinhardt]

Where are all theses 90-140 Autocrossers to vote Just like in politics B*TCHING but not voting

VOTE "YES: I WANT TRY

[Denise Dente]

I think I must have had too much egg nog because I can't figure out how to vote. What do I do?

Just so ya know I'm voting for paid corner workers... Steve too!

Denise

[Denise Dente]

I GOT IT!! I needed to sign on first. I'll blame it on the blonde hair.

Denise

[Mike]

Looks like there is some interest in paid corner workers, any harm in trying it once? Please promote it if you plan to do so, might increase event participation.

[pyro57]

Dear Club Friends,

I doubt that you can name the nine who voted against paid cornerworkers. I was one. One reason that I dont want to pay for cornerworkers is that I cant afford to throw money around like some of you in the club. Obviously you have more money than you know what to do with, so I have a suggestion, for the one or two times that you want to TRY paid corner workers, you pay for the whole shebang, doesn't that sound great. When I joined this club five years ago the autocross fee was $25, I beleive, and now its $40 and $60 on the day of the event, well I am told by my boss in Friday if I have to work the weekend. I know that this is probably a pittance to you but I have missed a lot of work this year due to a disability, this is also another reason that I have not run any of the autocrosses this year. As far as someone not agreeing with you and you attacking their thoughts I have one suggestion "GET OVER IT" and attempt to not allways be right. To "gulf 911" at the begining of this post you you asked for everyones opinion and then further on in the post you say you can name the nine "nay" votes as if it was a sin for those people to vote as they liked, well now that we are the "gang of nine" we should be told to shut up, will your next move be to send us the way of Skip Carter another person who did not agree with the club ELIETE, is this another political agenda of the "non gang of nine", another words if, in this club, you don't agree with the club eliete you should keep your ideas and votes to yourself. Keep in mind that everyone in this club has something in common with you, the love of these remarkable cars.

This post was not made with good natured sarcasm but with indignation that you think that you have to attack anyone who does not believe the way that you believe. This is one reason that some people do not post on this site.

By the way, when I participate in the autocrosses I allways show up early and throw cones, I am happy when I am excused from cornerworking and I am willing and able to corner work.

Thanks for being patient with my rambling, Dave King[/b]

[Dan Chambers]

Well, of course I voted no. I'll stand by what I said in KC's thread:

1) Cornerworking is an integral part of the process that is an Autocross.
2) Cornerworking is a fun event that is social by nature, and allows me (and others who might care) to stand on the track and watch one of the greatest feats of engineering speed around a course.
3) Cornerworking is an important and useful tool in the bag-o-tricks of insightful, intelligent Instuctors who have the interest, and initiative to take every opportunity to teach their students how to improve their driving.

Now, if you'll excuse me; I need to change out the stone wheels on my Flintstone Mobile, after I feed Dino. .

[Mike]

Dear Club Friends,
One reason that I dont want to pay for cornerworkers is that I cant afford to throw money around, Dave King[/b]

Hi Dave,

Dave I understand your position that you do not want to see entry fees increased due to paid corner workers. "If" paid corner workers were made available with no increase to the current entry fee would that interest you?

Let me ramble back at ya.

I read your post and it seems your concern is to keep the AX entry fees reasonable. Imho I feel the current entry fee is fair for day of entertainment in Mission Valley. I think the entry fee value though is shaded by the fact that the AX is the club's cash cow.

This gets into politics and board meeting agendas but it would be interesting to see what is the minimum entry fee required to break even for a typical 80 car AX? Break even with respect to supporting all the equipment wear and tear too. 80 cars x $40=$3200. How much does the club profit from an average AX event?

The profits from each AX event are impressive and support several other club functions. These profits are combined with profits from the hugely successful Performance driving school. What these incomes have in common is that they are generated by volunteers. Most of them volunteer instructors that teach at the AX, TT and the PDS events too.

If we can’t roll back the AX entry fees to what they were 5 years ago perhaps we could consider adding event value.
My take is that some of the AX racers would like to see a small part of these combined profits be reinvested into the AX events in the form of paid corner workers.

I think someone mentioned they would pay an extra $5 to have someone watch their corner for 90 minutes. I suggest the club absorb the cost of the paid corner workers.

With regards to high AX entry fees and paid corner workers a board meetings dicussion may go something like this...The club’s big picture is that it’s not just a Porsche AX club and the needs of the non income generating segments of the club need to be addresed as well. Makes sense too.

edited my basic entry fee math to $40.

[Curt]

Dave,
Thanks for your post explaining your views. There seems to be some misunderstanding here. This is certainly not the club "elite" proposing this. As a matter of fact, I think this is about as far away from the club "elite" as you can get. No one is talking about throwing money around. We are talking about taking the existing profit from each autocross and spending it on the autocrossers, instead of using it to subsidize other areas of the club. It may require an additional $5 per driver. To me, $5 would be worth it.

You are driving a car that is one tiny little missed shift away from an $8000 repair bill. We are talking about $5 here. I have been autocrossing for 6-7 years and I don't remember it ever being $25. I remember $35, but maybe I am wrong.

If my post above, which was obviously written with good natured sarcasm is what pissed you off or made you "indignant", I don't know what to say. Sorry, I guess. It was pretty outrageous though, wasn't it? Brusselsprouts? Burlap underwear? Oldsmobiles? It was too ridiculous to deserve to be taken literally or seriously.

[Mike]

Hey Dano just another perspective.
Love everything you've done for the club, I just don't share your opinion on paid corner workers. If the board agreed to it perhaps your AX social and teaching concerns could still be achieved?

[quote="Dan Chambers"]1) Cornerworking is an integral part of the process that is an Autocross.

Why, you don’t have to stand in harms way to study the track.

[quote="Dan Chambers"]2) Cornerworking is a fun event that is social by nature, and allows me (and others who might care) to stand on the track and watch one of the greatest feats of engineering speed around a course.

Corner working is inherently dangerous and should be avoided. Standing on track with only an orange vest and radio provides little protection. I find it anti social being isolated at a corner watching cars and chasing cones. Remember corner working is hard work, for some senior racers or those with marginal physical conditioning it is a bad experience. Dan you are in great physical condition, think of those that are not.

[quote="Dan Chambers"]3) Cornerworking is an important and useful tool in the bag-o-tricks of insightful, intelligent Instuctors who have the interest, and initiative to take every opportunity to teach their students how to improve their driving.

Imho corner working is an unhealthy disruption to teaching someone driving skills. You can find other safer less distracting places to watch and teach. This is not an attempt at sarcasm here but this mind set would rationalize standing in the center lane of the freeway to teach someone how to drive in the fast lane.

Off to the gym, for 05 might need to get my corner worker pump on.