So what is required to qualify for a trophy in AX for 2010?

[KeithV]

I am hoping the autocross chairs can provide an answer as to the requirements to qualify for a trophy in the 2010 autocross series.

I have heard that Z8 rules require 50% + 1 event attendance at events throughout the year to qualify for a TT trophy, but that AX requirement is to attend only 40% of events.

Interestingly, neither one says you have to attend the specified percent of events in the same class .... or in the same car.

But ...... that is Z8. So ....... for SDR .... what's the scoop guys?

If an individual (names concealed to protect the innocent) pick a hypothetical driver number - lets say 786 (for this example) attends 6 out of the 9 AX events that SDR held in 2010 (66%)... but changed cars halfway through the year; and, (again hypothetically) if he was the highest points scoring driver in both classes at year end, would this mystery MAN (perhaps someone from the UK)(perhaps not) be awarded two first place AX awards for this year? Is it legal? ethical? cost effective? lunch time?

Enquiring minds would like to know.

[JERRY B]

Let me think about it for a second NO

Now go prereg for the next AX

http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/ ... FCE1357DDD

[Kim Crosser]

Keith's question is actually a serious one. There is a discrepancy between the hard-copy Zone 8 Competition Rules that are in the trailer, and the on-line document - even though both have the same title... (Hint, hint, putting dates and version numbers in rules documents might be useful...)

Book in trailer "Zone 8 Competition Rules 2010": No distinction between AX and TT events, attendance at 51% of season events, "in the same class" (sorry Keith)
Online "Zone 8 Competition Rules 2010": To be eligible for year-end awards in the Autocross series, the entrant must participate in at least 40% of the year's events in a single class. Novice class participants are eligible for year-end awards if they compete in at least four events in that class. If there are sufficient events in the season, novices may trophy in both a Novice class and their regular class. To be eligible for year-end awards in the Time Trial series, the entrant must participate in at least 51% of the year's events in a single class. (hmm - Keith could get two awards in the same year in AX - assuming he could find two classes where he could win... )

This was brought to our attention Saturday by a driver who will have 50% (not 51%) of the events. Under the Zone 8 online version, he would be eligible for a trophy.

So - we need some clarification here. I would think the on-line Zone 8 2010 rules would take precedence over the paper copy sitting in the trailer, but are the AX awards team aware of the rules? All of us in the trailer (and some additional kibitzers) thought the 51% rule was still in effect.

Both sets of rules do stipulate "... in a single class", so to win two trophies in a year, a driver would have to compete in two separate classes, which presumably would require two different cars. Also, participating in two run groups would likely mean that the driver would be corner working during one of the two groups' timed runs!

Seriously, per rules, someone *could* run 4 of 9 (or 10) events in one class and be eligible, then switch classes (add sticky tires to an SS car and move to S?) and run another 4 events and qualify in that class.

[ttweed]

Keith's question is actually a serious one. There is a discrepancy between the hard-copy Zone 8 Competition Rules that are in the trailer, and the on-line document - even though both have the same title...

I see the discrepancy, Kim, so understand where the confusion is coming from, but the Zone 8 booklet is referring to the Zone 8 competition series only, not our regional series. We make the rules for awards in the SDR series, and as far back as I can remember, it has been necessary to compete in 51% of the events to trophy in a class for the year. We could change that if we want, but traditionally, that is how it has been for years, and it is not possible to win two trophies in the same car in one year.

TT

[UKAYMAN]

After some digging around on the website I found the region standing rules. It's not clear where to find this information because when you are searching around the SDR website under the rules icon for driving events you are directed to the Zone 8 rules. I found the region standing rules eventually under 'forms and documents' and it states you need to complete 51% of the points events to be eligible for an award.

Can these region by laws be placed in an easier spot please?

Thanks.

[LUCKY DAVE]

I earned enough points to "trophy" in two classes the in same season a couple years ago, I got one trophy per the rules.
Last year Kelsey attended (I think) all the events but changed classes (GSS to SPEC) halfway through. Although she earned enough points to trophy in GSS, she didn't meet the percentage rule in that class.......no trophy.
Does this answer your question?

[Kim Crosser]

Just one more bit of minor confusion...
While the Zone 8 rules stipulate that participation must be "in the same class", the SDR Standing Rules simply say "51% of the qualifying events".

So, it would seem that a driver could be eligible for an AX award by complying with both sets of rules, as follows:
Assume 9 events in the year.
Drive 4 events in the same class and get enough points for a trophy (per Zone 8 40% rule).
Drive one or more events in another class and qualify under SDR (now have 51% or more of the "qualifying events").

And this means that two trophies would be possible:
Assume 9 events in the year.
Drive 4 events in one class and 4 events in another class (qualifies in both classes under Zone 8 40% award rule, plus qualifies for awards under SDR 51% events rule).

To clarify, I suggest the SDR Standing Rules be modified to be more consistent with the Zone 8 Rules, as follows: "... 51% of the qualifying events, in the same class".

[JERRY B]

If there are 9 events you need 5 to get over 40% :banghed

[Cajundaddy]

If there are 9 events you need 5 to get over 40%

Math re-check Jerry, 4/9 events is .444 or 44%. 5/9= .556 or 56%

[JERRY B]

I went the wrong way, If we had 10 it would be easy
The 51% rule is a better idea

[pecivil]

an unrelated but related question

does X class get a year end trophy??

[Kim Crosser]

does X class get a year end trophy??

From the Zone 8 Competition rules: "This is an exhibition only class. No award points or trophies are awarded in this class."
It sounds like the award would be a circle with a red "X" in it...

[pecivil]

[Dan Chambers]

Just one more bit of minor confusion...
While the Zone 8 rules stipulate that participation must be "in the same class", the SDR Standing Rules simply say "51% of the qualifying events".

So, it would seem that a driver could be eligible for an AX award by complying with both sets of rules, as follows:
Assume 9 events in the year.
Drive 4 events in the same class and get enough points for a trophy (per Zone 8 40% rule).
Drive one or more events in another class and qualify under SDR (now have 51% or more of the "qualifying events").

And this means that two trophies would be possible:
Assume 9 events in the year.
Drive 4 events in one class and 4 events in another class (qualifies in both classes under Zone 8 40% award rule, plus qualifies for awards under SDR 51% events rule).

To clarify, I suggest the SDR Standing Rules be modified to be more consistent with the Zone 8 Rules, as follows: "... 51% of the qualifying events, in the same class".

So, you'd actually get 3 trophies in 1 year?
2 Zone 8 trophies (40%)
1 SDR trophy (51%)

Zone 8 awards are handed out at the annual Zone 8 Awards Banquet and SDR's are handed out at the PCASDR Driver's Dinner/Installation Dinner.

Is that right?

[Kim Crosser]

So, you'd actually get 3 trophies in 1 year?
2 Zone 8 trophies (40%)
1 SDR trophy (51%)

Is that right?

Actually, I think a strict interpretation of the rules would say you could get 4 trophies:
2 Zone 8 trophies
2 SDR trophies (drove at 8 of 9 SDR "qualifying events", so you met the 51% rule, and qualified for 2 different SDR AX class trophies by the Zone 8 40% rule)
Since the SDR rules do not specify that you need to drive 51% in the same class, I would think the Zone 8 40% rule for a class trophy would apply, and since you drove in 88.8% of the SDR "qualifying events", you met the 51% SDR Standing Rules requirement for attendance at AX events.

Thus, my suggestion we change the SDR Standing Rules to specify "51% of qualifying events in the same class."