Approved Rule Proposals for 2011

[Cajundaddy]

98 Boxster BSX/LS(4pt)/CC12 (420 points)
Easy Breezy. Love it!

[Mike Cornelius]

FWIW,

86 944 turbo JP 18 points car, would be 580 pts in the new system, CC9

[Hotrod911T]

My '69 911T with a 2.7 in FI Class now computes as 636 points in CC8. If I had known that raised spindles would cost me 20 modification points, I probably would have second thoughts on that mod as well as some others that would lower me to CC9 without them. The main problem for the early 911 owners is that when you developed your car under the old rules, you probably would do things entirely different under the new rules, like build up a 2.0 instead of going to a 2.7 which cost me a total of 266 points alone.

Rod

[Kim Crosser]

2000 2.7L Boxster - 320 + 70 for stock tire size (225 f, 255 r = 70 points) = 390 = CC13. I think I am going to like this!

[Hotrod911T]

Kim,

Don't you have to also add the additional 25 adjustment points for the mid-engine design. I don't think these points are included in your 320 base points, but I could be wrong. Here's the rule:

2. Mid-Engine “Adjustment Points"
Due to the particular advantage in handling for the mid-engine design, 914, Cayman & Boxster are all assigned an additional 25 "adjustment points".

Rod

[c4s4pcs]

As I understand it, the "adjustment points" are included in the base point number assigned to a car.

[Kim Crosser]

That was my understanding also - the 25 "bonus" points were already included in the base points for the mid-engine cars.

[tb911]

That is correct -- 25 points are already there.

That section is explanation of how base points are determined -- it is not something you need to do

[gulf911]

My '69 911T with a 2.7 in FI Class now computes as 636 points in CC8. If I had known that raised spindles would cost me 20 modification points, I probably would have second thoughts on that mod as well as some others that would lower me to CC9 without them. The main problem for the early 911 owners is that when you developed your car under the old rules, you probably would do things entirely different under the new rules, like build up a 2.0 instead of going to a 2.7 which cost me a total of 266 points alone.

Rod

I feel your pain Rod...this thing was pushed through like the health bill... It looks like you and I will be in the same class and I have a 3.2L and was in AM. yeah thats fair.
Some didn't like the old rules and are throwing the baby out with the bath water IMHO. Was this voted on by the powers that be without a vote from the members? Just curious.

[martinreinhardt]

Dan I was wondering the same thing and I don't think it was voted by the PCA SDR members, but rather by the president/board members. Personally, I would have voted against this rule proposal.

If it doesn't work out for me, then I'll ignore the class championship points and shoot for top ten finishes only.

Note: I will be in CC7 with max points (Previously NP)

[Greg Phillips]

My '69 911T with a 2.7 in FI Class now computes as 636 points in CC8. If I had known that raised spindles would cost me 20 modification points, I probably would have second thoughts on that mod as well as some others that would lower me to CC9 without them. The main problem for the early 911 owners is that when you developed your car under the old rules, you probably would do things entirely different under the new rules, like build up a 2.0 instead of going to a 2.7 which cost me a total of 266 points alone.

Rod

What modifications did you have for the 2.7? Cams, heads, carbs?
The displacement increase is only part of the 266 points, (.35 x 360).
Depending on the width and stickiness of tires that is about where my 911SC will end up.

Greg

[Greg Phillips]

Dan I was wondering the same thing and I don't think it was voted by the PCA SDR members, but rather by the president/board members. Personally, I would have voted against this rule proposal.

If it doesn't work out for me, then I'll ignore the class championship points and shoot for top ten finishes only.

Note: I will be in CC7 with max points (Previously NP)

CC7 should have some good competition. Not sure where the GT3's will end up.
Could not be any worse than when you were running in K classes

Greg

[gulf911]

Would have been nice to have a vote actually. Hey, maybe we should start our own class?

[Steve Grosekemper]

Would have been nice to have a vote actually. Hey, maybe we should start our own class?

But Dan... Did you forget that you have no class?

[Hotrod911T]

Greg,

The points for displacement increase from 2.0 to 2.7 are 126. The stock '69 911T engine had smaller valves than stock 2.7 heads, so that cost me 50 points (twice the adjustment for having the benefits of a mid-engine, I might add). The '67 911S cam, which is not all that big on a 2.7, cost me another 50 points, and I no longer have the minimal 27 mm venturiis in the carbs because they were too small even for a 2.0, so that cost me another 40 points, for a total of 266 points.

Under the old rules all the 911T's from '69 to '73 were in one model range, so I only had to take the points for cam, induction and the displacement increase from a 2.4 to 2.7, and the 2.7 heads were the same as the 2.4, so no points there. What doesn't seem fair to me is that a basic lightweight '74 911 (100 pounds heavier than a '69 911T) with a 2.7 and larger brakes has the base points of 200, or only 60 more than a '69 911T. So, if you put a stock '74 911 CIS 2.7 into a 2.0 911T, you will have to add the 266 points because the displacement, induction, cams and heads are non-stock for a '69 T. By comparison, under the new points system, my friend who has a track-only '75 911S with a 2.7 engine currently in the HI class would be in CC13 with under 400 total points.

One thing I haven't checked out fully are the update/backdate provisions. It has been suggested to me that I can classify my car as a '74 911 and not have to take points for a displacement increase. I would only have to take 20 modification points for non-stock gears (901 trans), 50 for the cam and 40 for the carbs, and with the other modification points for weight, suspension changes, etc, that would put my car at 480 points, or in CC11. Under the new rules, any air-cooled 911 model from 1964-98 are considered the same model series, so maybe that is possible. If the rules allow it, I might consider my car as a long-hood short-hood car just to stay a class or two lower than Dan.

The four of us Orange Coast Region competitors in the FI Class have decided to stick together and run in the FI Class next year in the OCR driving series rather than opting to run under the new rules. Under the new rules, all four of us will end up in different competition classes because of different model years and engine sizes. Hopefully, everything will be sorted out by the time the official transition takes place in 2012.

Rod