Jan. Streets of Willow Springs reg available

[Mmagus]

Hehe..

Its my Irish liniage kicking in, if I look at it that way I can claim I got a bargain!

[Mike]

Hehe..

Its my Irish liniage kicking in, if I look at it that way I can claim I got a bargain!

Fancy that, Michael Randal Reardon McGeoghan pleased to know ya.

[Steve Grosekemper]

I just checked the Registration Form. Why isn't a 1 day ticket half price of a full week end ticket. $195-$320. That doesn't make sense.
It should be $160.

Maybe you are doing the math backwards? Perhaps the price should be DOUBLE of what the one day cost is, but if you sign up for two its $70 LESS.

I guess none of you have ever been to Cosco. The more you buy the less it costs per unit. This is not a new concept.
That's also called incentive to make you want to come out for two days and get your awesome $70 discount.

Thanks Robert, I love saving money!

[pecivil]

I was hoping buttonwillow and spg mtn would be added at a later date???? Why are we not going there too?

[Mmagus]

I guess none of you have ever been to Cosco. The more you buy the less it costs per unit. This is not a new concept.
That's also called incentive to make you want to come out for two days and get your awesome $70 discount.

Thanks Robert, I love saving money!

Actually Steve, though I said it lightheartedly the practice makes total sense to me, the incentive to add the second day at a lower per day cost works. Apearently it worked for me as I was the first person after the TT chairs to sign up...for both days...and timed runs

[Steve Grosekemper]

I guess none of you have ever been to Cosco. The more you buy the less it costs per unit. This is not a new concept.
That's also called incentive to make you want to come out for two days and get your awesome $70 discount.

Thanks Robert, I love saving money!

Actually Steve, though I said it lightheartedly the practice makes total sense to me, the incentive to add the second day at a lower per day cost works. Apearently it worked for me as I was the first person after the TT chairs to sign up...for both days...and timed runs

Man... And I was 7th.
Mark you are just too quick for me
It's almost like everything around here is a competition.

See you at Streets.

[Gary Burch]

Maybe the reason for the extra charge is to keep the DE entries to a minimum, and not interfere with the TT base by taking up valuable track or posturing time.

Let's see if this makes sense, the TT program is in trouble because of a number of reasons(low attendance, escalating costs, smaller and smaller pool of drivers,...) the solution is to draw from the shrinking pool of ax drivers and convince them to TT. So it starts with a DE, a DE that costs $35 more than it should. That is the way to promote attendance. Convince them to sign up for the extra day for only $70 more, oh yeah you need a transponder that's $30, oh if you want timed runs it's another $25. Yeah, you'll have to stay another night, that's $80...

I know this isn't a cheap hobby. But, saving a little money here and there makes it a lot easier at home.

[SDGT3]

Just curious, will there be an DEs at Qualcomm?

[gulf911]

Maybe the reason for the extra charge is to keep the DE entries to a minimum, and not interfere with the TT base by taking up valuable track or posturing time.

Let's see if this makes sense, the TT program is in trouble because of a number of reasons(low attendance, escalating costs, smaller and smaller pool of drivers,...) the solution is to draw from the shrinking pool of ax drivers and convince them to TT. So it starts with a DE, a DE that costs $35 more than it should. That is the way to promote attendance. Convince them to sign up for the extra day for only $70 more, oh yeah you need a transponder that's $30, oh if you want timed runs it's another $25. Yeah, you'll have to stay another night, that's $80...

I know this isn't a cheap hobby. But, saving a little money here and there makes it a lot easier at home.

We do think alike sometimes Gary... I too wish the best for the TT program. There are many that will pay for this sport whatever it is regardless of the cost or reasoning behind it because they can, and this sport is not cheap. That said , you still will not find a better run program or nicer group of people than here. I look forward to when the attendance is back to 60+ cars so the cost can go down accordingly, then you will see my smiling face... ... as I put a major whoopin on Steve G and his rental...

[gulf911]

Oh btw Steve Fyi, Buttonwillow is $9800 not $12,000 for the weekend based on their website, thats s big difference.

[Steve Grosekemper]

Oh btw Steve Fyi, Buttonwillow is $9800 not $12,000 for the weekend based on their website, thats s big difference.

We are both wrong Dan.
$10,400 for BW in the premium months that we usually run.
Weekend Rates
Full Track *$5,200/day $4,900/day
Kart Track $1000/day $900/day
Skid Pad $500/day $500/day
*Premium Months are April, May, September and October

My point being the other tracks are far more expensive than Streets.

[Steve Grosekemper]

Maybe the reason for the extra charge is to keep the DE entries to a minimum, and not interfere with the TT base by taking up valuable track or posturing time.

Let's see if this makes sense, the TT program is in trouble because of a number of reasons(low attendance, escalating costs, smaller and smaller pool of drivers,...) the solution is to draw from the shrinking pool of ax drivers and convince them to TT. So it starts with a DE, a DE that costs $35 more than it should. That is the way to promote attendance. Convince them to sign up for the extra day for only $70 more, oh yeah you need a transponder that's $30, oh if you want timed runs it's another $25. Yeah, you'll have to stay another night, that's $80...

I know this isn't a cheap hobby. But, saving a little money here and there makes it a lot easier at home.

We do think alike sometimes Gary... I too wish the best for the TT program. There are many that will pay for this sport whatever it is regardless of the cost or reasoning behind it because they can, and this sport is not cheap. That said , you still will not find a better run program or nicer group of people than here. I look forward to when the attendance is back to 60+ cars so the cost can go down accordingly, then you will see my smiling face... ... as I put a major whoopin on Steve G and his rental...

Dan- Have you thought that pointing people to other cheaper inferior events might lessen the number of drivers that show up to our events effectively shooting yourself in the foot? If you want to save money run RA-1's instead of 710's. Drive out Saturday morning, invite Mick to come out and share a room with him. Just some thoughts.

As for a Whoopin; come out to the track and show me what you've got. But beware whinning/typing is a lot easier than driving.

[Gary Burch]

Maybe the reason for the extra charge is to keep the DE entries to a minimum, and not interfere with the TT base by taking up valuable track or posturing time.

Let's see if this makes sense, the TT program is in trouble because of a number of reasons(low attendance, escalating costs, smaller and smaller pool of drivers,...) the solution is to draw from the shrinking pool of ax drivers and convince them to TT. So it starts with a DE, a DE that costs $35 more than it should. That is the way to promote attendance. Convince them to sign up for the extra day for only $70 more, oh yeah you need a transponder that's $30, oh if you want timed runs it's another $25. Yeah, you'll have to stay another night, that's $80...

I know this isn't a cheap hobby. But, saving a little money here and there makes it a lot easier at home.

We do think alike sometimes Gary... I too wish the best for the TT program. There are many that will pay for this sport whatever it is regardless of the cost or reasoning behind it because they can, and this sport is not cheap. That said , you still will not find a better run program or nicer group of people than here. I look forward to when the attendance is back to 60+ cars so the cost can go down accordingly, then you will see my smiling face... ... as I put a major whoopin on Steve G and his rental...

Dan- Have you thought that pointing people to other cheaper inferior events might lessen the number of drivers that show up to our events effectively shooting yourself in the foot? If you want to save money run RA-1's instead of 710's. Drive out Saturday morning, invite Mick to come out and share a room with him. Just some thoughts.

As for a Whoopin; come out to the track and show me what you've got. But beware whinning/typing is a lot easier than driving.

Cheaper inferior events may be the only choice for some of us.

Has the concept of 1 day Time Trials ever come up. Sundays are mostly hanging around until timed runs, probably less now with the $25 charge. For instance at Buttonwillow a 1 day TT would pay for itself with 35 cars at $150 per driver or 51 drivers at $100 per driver. Then the charge for timed runs would be easier to swallow.

Or even structured pricing, 30 drivers the cost X, 40 drivers the cost is Y, etc...

We need creative solutions, not creative pricing

[Robert]

Please see this thread – http://forum.pcasdr.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4502 – for information on a meeting to share ideas about the DE & TT program.