Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby kjr914 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:27 am

Jerry,
first, and foremost, we all appreciate you and your efforts very much as AX Superman!!!!! Don't take the commentary personally, as many are just venting frustration at a track that kicked their arse. I know, it kicked my butt....and I'll be a better driver for that. I was trying to attack it like other courses we run, where my HP and brakes help out. But this was not a HP/brakes track....and so I learned. The track pushed people out of their comfort zone and that is why they were grumpy.

For those who want to complain about track map vs actual.... Go out and help set up a track. You'll see very quickly, that in the Q's pothole infested, 3rd world tarmac parking lot, you'd be lucky to get even close the pre-drawn map. Kudos to Rodney and Dan for looking at GPS data mapping to build a better starting point.

For all of those who pitched in to load the trailer, many thanks! I had a few more hands than normal, and it does take an army. Here our VW brethren get some serious props for pitching in on a regular basis. For those of you who didn't get to help, we'll be glad to get your assistance next time. :)

Adam,  :bowdown:
Glad you are out of CC08, so the rest of us get a chance! :lol: ....but the folks in CC04 (?) are now pissed!!! :surr: Congrats, you tore it up in the Cupcake! :rockon:
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby LUCKY DAVE on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:44 am

Jerry,
first, and foremost, we all appreciate you and your efforts very much as AX Superman!!!!! Don't take the commentary personally, as many are just venting frustration at a track that kicked their arse.


Yes!  :bowdown:

it kicked my butt....and I'll be a better driver for that. I was trying to attack it like other courses we run, where my HP and brakes help out.


I kicked my own butt, it wasn't the track's fault. There seemed to be a lot of that going around, like some kind of "red mist" plague...... :lol:

For those who want to complain about track map vs actual.... Go out and help set up a track. You'll see very quickly, that in the Q's pothole infested, 3rd world tarmac parking lot, you'd be lucky to get even close the pre-drawn map.


You bet, and the track usually has to be changed during the day as what's left of the surface falls apart right under us. If the layout doesn't have to be changed at least twice during an event the setup guys did a fantastic job!
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby rcsd_447 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:16 am

Anyone know a good time to cruise around the lot?
I'd assumed it was only open to us on the weekends but if I can do some scouting it would be helpful for me.

Thanks,
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby mrondeau on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:45 pm

You can get in there and drive around anytime it's not being used by someone else (like the SDPD) during normal business hours.
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby stevemckay on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:48 pm

JUST A THOUGHT, BUT IF JERRY HAD SOME SOLID HELP AKA CO CHAIR, OR JUST HAD A FEW VOLUNTEERS (THOSE OF YOU WHO ARRIVE LATE AND LEAVE EARLY TAKE NOTE), AND DIDN'T HAVE TO RUN THE WHOLE A/X FROM FRIDAY OR SATURDAY SET UP TO FINAL TEAR DOWN AT EVERY A/X MAYBE HE COULD OVERSEE THE SET UP INSTEAD OF DOING IT HIMSELF .IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO SEE THE SAME FEW PEOPLE DO ALL THE WORK AND LIKEWISE THE SAME PEOPLE LEAVE EARLY MONTH AFTER MONTH.I KNOW A LOT OF A/XERS HAVE OTHER JOBS WITHIN THE CLUB BUT WE ALL NEED TO PITCH IN.AND IF YOU ARE NOT VOLUNTEERING MAYBE THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.JUST MY 2CENTS OR MAYBE A QUARTER . :beerchug:
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby jenniferreinhardt on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:42 am

We all put out some money to drive an AX - for example figuring wear and tear, entry fee, and gas, it is about $300 for Martin and I. So, of course we all want the best use of the money and effort that is going out. So, we have the right to offer up improvement ideas. I get a bit tired of the -one size fits all- 'come out and help if you don't like it' reply. If people have ideas on how I can improve Pre-Registration, by all means send an email to me at preregq@pcasdr.org, or drop me a PM. I will genuinely consider your idea.

In the Reinhardt case, We are pre-registration and timing. Pre-reg took about 10 hours this time and timing for Martin was off and on all day. Many people have assigned jobs already that take time - tech, CDI, corner working chair, safety, logistics, etc.

We need to motivate other people to get involved (like Rodney and Dan and others have already stepped up). And then of course, knowledge transfer on jobs is a critical factor in having all aspects of the event flow smoothly! That is where we have to figure out how to improve our events. Jerry has put his heart in to it and has done a great job. He needs more people to help. How can we achieve this?
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby JERRY B on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:56 am

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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby LUCKY DAVE on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:20 pm

JERRY B wrote:Here is my latest track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdCDkfEKkUI


That was hilarious!
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Re: Autocross: Opinions (not for the faint of heart)

Postby Dan Chambers on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:31 am

Jerry B., you're dong the best you can. Don't let one grumbling day cloud the fact that you've been working vey hard over the years with a really good record of success. Keep up the great efforts.

As to my opinions about AX's past, present, and future.... (oh, boy! here we go....)

1) Past
Way back in the day, as Gary Burch stated, we met before-hand at the Q and actually drove the mapped track to see how it flowed, how safe it was, and how it worked with the constantly degrading surface. What Gary didn't mention is that the draft track map (prior to test-drive Wednesday) was drafted by one of us and reviewed over beers/dinner and commented on prior to driving. So, first we developed a track map by consensus. This map had input from an early 911 driver, a Carrera driver, and a 944 driver. (Huh. Cooperation and respected input. Imagine that.) When we drove the track in one of our street cars (usually we all sat in Carl's PT Cruiser with a copy of the map on our laps, making comments along each section, and adjusting the map thru 3-way designer input) we would be sure that the map would be consistent with the thrown design, that it was "implementable," and that it contained all the elements of what a driving experience can have: Increasing radius, slow-speed decreasing radius, slalom, straights, straight-line braking, fast sweepers. Yes, it was a challenge incorporating all the elements into one track. But, we did it. Even the most ardent F.W.'s would comment on how they actually liked the track. Those were the days.

2) Present
Like so many programs in PCASDR, the Autocross program has, and is, evolving. As with any form of Darwinism, some characteristics are improving while others are being lost/taken out. Evolution happens. From a spectator's vantage-point I have observed a more independent, more secular approach to AX management and design. Time constraints, budgets, participation by new drivers and new vehicle types, individual attitudes, influences by others: these all have influences on how AX's happen. I will not deride the current or past AX Chairs for doing a job poorly. That's not the deal. I think the efforts the volunteers are making is huge, and they should be rewarded for all the time and effort they make. All the Chairs at AX events are doing a great job. Period. However,I have chosen not to participate in a program that I find less appealing. My choice, pure and simple. My 911 with a relatively soft suspension and heaps of torque would be an excellent AX machine with the potential of finishing in the top 10 ... if not top 5 TTOD. But, do you see me there? 'nough said.

3) Future
All the programs in PCASDR have the potential of tapping into a wealth of information and resource from Volunteers Past. One of the hallmarks of the SDR is the availability of 50 years of history and the experience of previous Chairs as a resource ... if the current Chairs are willing to (as Mark Rondeau so eloquently says) "check their egos at the door" and sit down together with Co-Chairs and Chairs from the past to develop a really great program. Not just AX's, but IMHO all programs can benefit from this approach of tapping ALL the resources available. Many hands make for light lifting. Some Chairs are doing this. Some are not. Also, it should be noted that much of the AX program is in fact written down and the "book" is handed across to the new Chairs as the outgoing Chairs retire. Much of what we (Carl, Gary, and I) learned, and much that happened before we were chairs was documented. I'm hoping that the trend toward documentation continues, so that those people who are willing to sit down and review the written history will benefit from the decades of experience AX Chairs have accumulated. I'm hoping this is still a part of the evolution rather than being apart from the evolution. While those who can't remember the mistakes of the past are condemned to repeat them, those who remember the successes of the past are gifted with improving upon them.

K. I'm done. Thanks to all the AX volunteers (AX Chairs, Timing Chairs, Equipment Chairs[?], Set-up volunteers, Corner-Working Chairs, Safety Chairs, and other volunteers) that make one of the most popular events happen. :beerchug:

I'm shutting-up now.
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Re: Autocross 4/21/2013 Results

Postby emptyo on Mon May 06, 2013 8:41 pm

JERRY B wrote:It is really selfish of you With your high powered cars to complain about a track that favors low powered cars
Every year it's the same thing, We do 8 Fast Tracks & 1 Tight Track Then you want my Head & think I need a school on how to set Tracks WTF


Well, as a guy that came from the SCCA, I thought it was a great track. I am one of those people where I'll get smoked on a high horsepower course. In fact, I couldn't believe the length of the first straightaway up the hill! I had lots of fun....I thought it was technical, required precision, and had enough thinking room where you could have a couple of options how to take a particular section. Nice job Jerry! :)
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